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Black or Red Kite? (France) (1 Viewer)

Gduff

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Hi,
I've seen this Kite above La Dune du Pilat (W France) 3 days ago.
I'd rather go with a Red Kite, but I'm not that sure...
Can you confirm?

Thanks
 

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Alexander Stöhr

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Hello,
I agree with you, Butty and KC, its a Red Kite. Maybe your were puzzled by the following points?
  • upper-tail seems earth-brown, lacking obvious pale orangey-brown hues= ID book Red Kite (edit: still the wrong/unusual at least hue in the lightened picture. Thanks KC!)
  • your bird lacks the pale grey head, set off against a orangey-brown body. Instead it shows a dark mask, more often present in Black Kites.
  • Adding the worn and bleached inner primaries, a moult gap in the inner wing (?), I think this is a 2cy bird.
I was alerted to this again by Toms comment in a recent thread. Thanks, Tom!
 

Gduff

Well-known member
Hello,
I agree with you, Butty and KC, its a Red Kite. Maybe your were puzzled by the following points?
  • upper-tail seems earth-brown, lacking obvious pale orangey-brown hues= ID book Red Kite (edit: still the wrong/unusual at least hue in the lightened picture. Thanks KC!)
  • your bird lacks the pale grey head, set off against a orangey-brown body. Instead it shows a dark mask, more often present in Black Kites.
  • Adding the worn and bleached inner primaries, a moult gap in the inner wing (?), I think this is a 2cy bird.
I was alerted to this again by Toms comment in a recent thread. Thanks, Tom!
Thanks for your interesting reply.
I was confused by 4 things:
1. unusual sighting at this time of year (never recorded before on Faune Aquitaine in April around Bassin d'Arcachon (or maybe hidden data)). I had built a list of possible birds, and Red Kite wasn't in there, which is why I didn't think of it
2. the not-so-forked tail, not rufous, didn't catch my eyes
3. i thought the light panel on primaries was also a Black Kite feature, but after checking books it's too white to be a Black Kite wing
4. my observation was really short, because I was on family vacation...

Thank you again, I don't think Kites separation is that obvious in many cases.
 

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