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Black redstart? (1 Viewer)

gerald762

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England
From the front it looks like a Black redstart, but the rear view shows quite a bit of white. Confirmation please. Photo today, SW Spain
Thanks
 

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Richard Prior

Halfway up an Alp
Europe
Yes, an adult male Gerald, young males can look identical to the females so you can get a breeding pair of female-looking birds but a year later a male would look like the one you pictured, the amount of white can vary though.
 

creedence

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Yes, an adult male Gerald, young males can look identical to the females so you can get a breeding pair of female-looking birds but a year later a male would look like the one you pictured, the amount of white can vary though.
The grey breeding males are normally the cairii morph and plumage does not change in subsequent years
 

Richard Prior

Halfway up an Alp
Europe
Thanks, I didn’t know that, none of the literature I’ve been able to find mentions that cairii retains that female-like plumage beyond 1st summer, is there a study ( presumably thanks to colour ringing?) you could point me towards Creedence?
 

creedence

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Thanks, I didn’t know that, none of the literature I’ve been able to find mentions that cairii retains that female-like plumage beyond 1st summer, is there a study ( presumably thanks to colour ringing?) you could point me towards Creedence?
Actually I’m not sure if what I said was correct, that they do not change their plumage. But if they do change their plumage then I don’t see how they can be morphs, which is what cairii and paradoxus are always referred to as being. Off hand I can’t think of another morph that is only a morph temporarily.
 

creedence

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gerald762

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England
Richard, don't worry! I can see that the subject is a bit of a minefield and a bit beyond an old fogey such as I.
What are cairii and paradoxus?
 

pianoman

duck and diver, bobolink and weaver
Yes, an adult male Gerald, young males can look identical to the females so you can get a breeding pair of female-looking birds but a year later a male would look like the one you pictured, the amount of white can vary though.
Intriguing that they can breed before reaching fully adult plumage
 

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