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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DGRW" data-source="post: 923132" data-attributes="member: 56562">Coigach - __________________As you say; closer up and in flight isn't a problem, I could waffle on about location but I take your point. "Structure" though; I think is probably the key as with many similar species that at first glance may look very alike but then, when you become more familiar with "structure" and "Jizz", the differences become more apparent.Apart from the obvious wing-bar in flight and the tail feathers that are not always distinct at distance; are there any other plumage or other distinct colouration or pattern characteristics that anyone uses to distinguish the two?Thanks Coigach.</blockquote>