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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steve C" data-source="post: 1272738" data-attributes="member: 56622">Kevin,I am not quite sure how to respond.  Now, I didn't come close to taking offense.  I will say that you did not "pigeon hole" anything either.  I hope you didn't think I was taking a poke at you.  There was a post right after yours that chacterized the glass as just another $500 glass, which was not news.  He may be exactly right, but maybe not.I maybe should have stated outright that I think there is an oxy-moron hiding in the terminology "blind optics test".  I also realize that there are enough knowlegable folks who you couldn't fool if you planned this thing all night and into the middle of next week.  I thought I dealt with that.You are exactly right about national bias, especially with regard o China.  But that is political.  I don't think racism is nearly as much of a factor as is communism.  But I go NO further here. Not the place.  I have some Chinese optics that I use a lot.  Particularly both flavors of Yosemite and a Vortex Fury 6.5x32.  They have gotten better and will continue to do so.  As you correctly point out, that is a fact of life.  Something to factor into the blind test oxy moron.It is quite common to see somebody post and adamantly assert they could immediately tell some feature from another.  No doubt some can.  No doubt some just think they can.  I'd like to test folks on this too as part of the blind test protocol as well.It's not about proving some right and others wrong.  It's more about seeing how preconcieved notion affect evaluation results and if there is an effect.  I try hard to spend my money to get what I want at the best price I can get.  SO I try hard not to get too ijnvolved with brand.  Unless of course previous positive or negative experience clouds my judgement.  I suppose in that I;m no different than anybody else.  If I am down to a pick between X and Yand I know about X and not about Y, than X will likely get the nod.  Yeah it really is about being human.</blockquote>

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