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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jos Stratford" data-source="post: 1653582" data-attributes="member: 12449">Mine was a technical point, I don't support arguments that justify anything on, or partly on, the grounds it has happened for generations, since year dot or since grandma last went off with grandpa <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />As for hunting, under current situations, whether we talk of the Wexford Slobs, wildfowling in general, or even much wider to include many of the hunting preserves in southern Africa, etc, there can be no doubt that conservation has been the winner. The only argument is whether we approve of the motives of those responsible for it - I personally would prefer to see all the areas preserved for the love of wildlife, but I am also enough of a realist to appreciate the world is a huge place and conservationists (at this point excluding hunters) alone will never be able to achieve as much as cooperation between all those involved in protecting land for wildlife, regardless of motive.</blockquote>