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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Himalaya" data-source="post: 3174983" data-attributes="member: 56069">Video does not get any better than that to be honest but one day  I will upload it -  it took me 18 months to do this LOL.  I have always known it is a Goshawk but wondered why so many people could not even judge the size of the bird even through the poor photo  - the mass, the chest, legs.....then again birdwatchers on average just see Goshawks with fleeting glimpses or distant birds never close.  Falconers get very close to birds and can feel the size of the bird.    Although, in the field I would not be sure of a falconers identification of a wild bird of prey that was a typical glance.</blockquote>