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Message: <blockquote data-quote="spitfiretriple" data-source="post: 1562758" data-attributes="member: 78740">Thanks Dafi.The pair I'm considering are from Ebay (item now gone but more may be available from the vendor). For all I know they might be ones which Lidl didn't sell last time round - a fair proportion of which may of course be pairs that people have checked, found wanting, and put back in the box.  So it's a bit of a gamble, even at half the Lidl price - which is a third the RRP(!)  From the photo they are "<a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bresser-8x56-Diorit-Prism-Binoculars/dp/B0007TY14U/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1250771307&sr=8-3" target="_blank">Diorits</a>" which Amazon has as being twice the price of <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bresser-8x56-Special-Prism-Binoculars/dp/B0007TY136/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1250771307&sr=8-1" target="_blank">Bresser's other 8x56s</a>. I wondered if that double-the-price might mean PC, but I notice that the cheaper 8x56s are not waterproof.  Double the price seems a lot for just waterproofing but there you go.What's your bike dafi? I have a couple of Triumph 900s, both need work to get back on the road, and a rather scratched Aprilia Futura.  <a href="http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159832" target="_blank">My Big Trip</a>Edit: Just had a quick look at your Orkneys wildlife blog. Looks fab. It'll keep me busy for quite a while I think!</blockquote>