Bresser Everest (ED) 8x42 (1 Viewer)

[eitanaltman]

The Minox HG's are 8x43...

 

[FrankD]

Hmm, considering Bresser's use of Hoya made ED glass in the design would it be more accurate to compare them with the APO HGs?

The price difference though is more substantial with the Minox retailing for $1800 and the Bressers going for $800.

 

[Binoseeker]

Concerning the Montana....

The diopter compensation can also be adjusted via the rubber-coated focus ring.

Anders

 

[CCD3]

Got a pair today and am absolutely satisified. I had them next to me Meostar hds and there isnt near a seven hundred dollar difference. Amazing. Im wondering what the Montanas are like if these are that good. The salesman did say the Montanas had less than desirable accesories(eye cups dont attatch) but if the view is that good you can figure that out. If they hold up with use they are a huge winner.

 

[eitanaltman]

Sounds great. The only thing that has held back other Chinese ED's from overwhelming acceptance is quality control, so let's cross our fingers that these Bressers hold up with use and don't suffer from too much individual variation or QC problems.

 

[CCD3]

Sounds great. The only thing that has held back other Chinese ED's from overwhelming acceptance is quality control, so let's cross our fingers that these Bressers hold up with use and don't suffer from too much individual variation or QC problems.

I sent back three pairs of Primes and I know what you mean. These are finished very well and a little complaint would be a little lose bottom eye caps but not bad. The view is as good and Im much happier with these than the Primes at a third the cost.

 

[brocknroller]

The Minox HG's are 8x43...

Minox originally made an 8.5x43 HG with a narrowish FOV:

http://www.opticsplanet.com/bauslomel12.html

The "Montana" retained some "waffle iron" grips from the original Meade Montana (I believe Meade owns Bresser, or it's the name they sell their bins under in Europe).

The bottle cap focuser looks like it came from an Alpen Rainier

So it appears to be a hybrid. Probably has batteries like the Zeiss 8x56 B/GA. Hope they are included

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I sent back three pairs of Primes and I know what you mean. These are finished very well and a little complaint would be a little lose bottom eye caps but not bad. The view is as good and Im much happier with these than the Primes at a third the cost.

You like the Bresser's more than the Prime's?

 

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Minox originally made an 8.5x43 HG with a narrowish FOV:

http://www.opticsplanet.com/bauslomel12.html

The "Montana" retained some "waffle iron" grips from the original Meade Montana (I believe Meade owns Bresser, or it's the name they sell their bins under in Europe).

The bottle cap focuser looks like it came from an Alpen Rainier

So it appears to be a hybrid. Probably has batteries like the Zeiss 8x56 B/GA. Hope they are included

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I guess I got the last pair. The Leupold 10x42 Cascades are sold out! I got them today and I can't believe how good they are. Wow! They blew me away. You don't notice the 5.2 degree field because it is sharp right to edge. Talk about sharp on-axis. Very high quality with a smooth easy focuser and they are totally waterproof. The eyecups and eye relief work great for me with very few blackouts. They look like the Nikon SE's and the rubber armouring feels great in the hands. Real dynamite bargain! Highly recommended. Thanks for the tip!

http://www.bobwards.com/products2.cf...FaI7MgodrlsA7w

 

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Any chance you have the link to that review? I could always google it but you would save me some time.

I am not really big on the 8.5x magnification, mostly because of the subsequent narrower true field of view, but I am willing to give any new model a fair shake. Considering the price, in the grand scheme of things, they aren't quite the value that the Everests are but if they do truly perform at the $2000+ level then $800 isn't a bad value at all. I did see in the description that they utilize Hoya glass.

http://sportoptics101.com/bresser-montana-10-5x45-ed-binocular-review/

 

[eitanaltman]

Nice call on the waffle iron grip, I'd never seen the Meade Montana but after googling it you nailed it Brock.

I think the focus knob is actually from the Alpen Teton, not the Rainier. Same style with the ring of raised black rubber bumpies on the metal barrel but the knob on the Rainier is longer. Incidentally I happened upon a Teton in a store yesterday and the optics are terrific. Chromatic aberration is mediocre (they are an older pre ED model) but man were they sharp and bright with a wide sweet spot. Alpen does know what they are doing, too bad they never gained much traction on this forum. Hard for something like the Teton to compete in the $400-500 segment without ED glass.

 

[FrankD]

Eitan,

The Meade Montana is basically a Bushnell Discoverer, Weaver (something-slam) 7x42. All are basically the same design with slightly different coatings. I owned two of the Meade Montanas and would agree that they offer good optical performance. For the sub-$100 they occasionally sell for on Meade's webpage they are a steal.

 

[CCD3]

You like the Bresser's more than the Prime's?

Yes I do. Although I use mine for hunting, I feel the Primes are built like a tank . The Bressers by no means feel cheap and plasticy and I feel they will hold up hunting. The eye cups fit my face better than the Primes which were too large for me. The view is close although I did not have them side by side. For the money I feel way better with these and for $209 they make me smile.

 

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That's what it is all about. How that binocular fits YOU. A less expensive binocular because it fits you better might work better than a more expensive binocular. There are so many things. Eyecup size, eye relief and ergonomics. The list goes on and on.

 

[FrankD]

I just wanted to share an experience I had with the Everests last evening. I took the dog for a walk right at twilight. There is a dense grove of pine trees not far from my house that we walk through. Lighting conditions were bordering on poor at the time. What I found was that the contrast level of the Bressers played a key role in delivering very good apparent sharpness to my eyes under those specific conditions. I had no problem seeing a great amount of detail under the trees. I believe that it is this type of condition that separates the binoculars with great contrast and those binoculars that "look brighter" under most conditions (but actually aren't) because of the manufacturer's choice of antireflective coatings.

 

[mooreorless]

Meade Montana and the eye cover has Bresser on it and the "waffle iron" grips like Brock says.

http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=431726&d=1362794219

 

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Meade Montana and the eye cover has Bresser on it and the "waffle iron" grips like Brock says.

http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=431726&d=1362794219

How do they perform?

 

[FrankD]

Really? It says Bresser on it. I thought it was Meade, then Explorer Scientific, that owns Bresser.

On a related note, I just had the opportunity compare the Bresser to some notable other bins recently discussed here on Birdform, namely the Zeiss Terra ED and the HT...both in 8x42. I am going to save further comments until I have time but I will encourage others to do the comparison.

 

[mooreorless]

Hi Frank, Very interesting thread! Yes Bresser is just on the cover, the body and focuser have Meade Montana on them no country of origin. There is number on it 0262.

This is way better than my 8x32SE.

 

[brocknroller]

Hmm, considering Bresser's use of Hoya made ED glass in the design would it be more accurate to compare them with the APO HGs?

The price difference though is more substantial with the Minox retailing for $1800 and the Bressers going for $800.

The $1,000 difference is for Minox's "Made in Germany" label. Given the wide latitude Germany allows company's using that label, you have to wonder if it's worth it. We'll have to wait for a head to head Minox APO vs. Bresser ED review.

Hopefully, Minox is not as litigious as Swarovski, and the "waffle iron" grips and Alpen focuser and diopter rings will make it different enough looking not to catch Minox's legal eagle's attention. Then again, as we saw with the Leica riflescopes, it's not only what you can see that can infringe on patents but also the internal design.

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