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Cape May, NJ birds (1 Viewer)

Nickk

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I am guessing Common Yellowthroat, Nashville Warbler, Broad-winged Hawk, Hermit Thrush & Cooper's??
 

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Larry Lade

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I would go along with the IDs on # 2,4 and 5.

I think # 1 is also a Nashville Warbler.

I am not sure about # 3, but I don't think it is a Broad-winged.
 

ceasar

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I think #3 is a juvenile Broad-winged Hawk. Jerry Liguori notes in HAWKS From Every Angle on a photograph BW-02 at page 47 that "Juveniles can be virtually unmarked below." In BW-03 he notes "lack of dark border on wings." Note also the wingtips show only 4 "fingers," a characterisitic of Broad-winged Hawks.

Agree on #1, Nashville Warbler with Larry.
Bob
 
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MLoyko

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Agreed with Bob on the Broad-wings. As for the Coop look at the very straight-edge wing, I was also told that Cooper's can move there head like that while soaring but sharpie's can't. they kind of have to turn their body to look around? Just throwing that out there never did a follow up.

as for the others I dont think I can help

-Matt
 

AlexC

Aves en Los Ángeles
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Agree on most of above - Coop's graduated tail-feathers can be seen, too.

My beef is with #3 - the Buteo. This doesn't look like a Broad-winged to me. Maybe it's a combination of the tail looking too short, a shadow on the secondaries, and me going crazy, but the GIS and structure of the wings give me the impression of a young RTH. It's difficult to make out if there is in fact a patigal bar along the wings, but my in-flight impression of BWHs is that they always look like they're about to stab you or hug you, if that makes any sense. Pointy-tipped wings, or a little arch.

Pointy / stab:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OYjskRx08.../RsOdQl8_44A/s400/broad-winged+hawk,+imm..jpg
http://www.symbolicmessengers.com/Broad-winged_Hawk_C20260.jpg

Hug:
http://blogs.rep-am.com/nature/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/hawk_broad-winged1.jpg
http://www.capebretonbirds.ca/broadwingedhawk4.jpg
 

ceasar

Well-known member
Yeah, I got the first impression that it might be a juvenile RTH too but the 4 fingers on the wing tips made me think again. And Eastern Red-tailed Hawks can be very light colored but this one, if it was a RTH would have to be very leucistic, almost an albino. That's when I pulled out my copy of Ligouri's book. The bird in the photo 1st cited is unmarked, much like this bird and show 4 fingers on it's wing tips. Red-tails have 5 prominent fingers on their wing tips.
Bob
 

Jim M.

Choose Civility
I agree that the wing-tip structure would rule out red-tailed hawk and suggest broad-winged hawk.

I agree with BWH. In addition to four fingers, notice how the first finger is much shorter and far from the wingtip--typical of BWH. I don't see any patagial bars either.

Best,
Jim
 

Jim M.

Choose Civility
I agree with BWH. In addition to four fingers, notice how the first finger is much shorter and far from the wingtip--typical of BWH. I don't see any patagial bars either.

Best,
Jim

Just wanted to clarify that by "first finger" I meant the one on the leading edge of the wing.

Jim
 

Birdingcraft

Well-known member
Agree on most of above - Coop's graduated tail-feathers can be seen, too.

My beef is with #3 - the Buteo. This doesn't look like a Broad-winged to me. Maybe it's a combination of the tail looking too short, a shadow on the secondaries, and me going crazy, but the GIS and structure of the wings give me the impression of a young RTH. It's difficult to make out if there is in fact a patigal bar along the wings, but my in-flight impression of BWHs is that they always look like they're about to stab you or hug you, if that makes any sense. Pointy-tipped wings, or a little arch.

Pointy / stab:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_OYjskRx08.../RsOdQl8_44A/s400/broad-winged+hawk,+imm..jpg
http://www.symbolicmessengers.com/Broad-winged_Hawk_C20260.jpg

Hug:
http://blogs.rep-am.com/nature/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/hawk_broad-winged1.jpg
http://www.capebretonbirds.ca/broadwingedhawk4.jpg

Although I am in the BWH camp for this one, I love the "stab or hug" description!
 

james holdsworth

Consulting Biologist
I think 3 is BWHA. The photos appear to show the chest to marked with [in]distinct streaking, very unlike imm. RTHA.

The overall curving shape of the trailing edge of the wing also looks good.
 

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