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<blockquote data-quote="jring" data-source="post: 3316715" data-attributes="member: 133897"><p>Hi,</p><p></p><p>after having had closer look at the photos and disregarding the printing, I'm inclined to say that the bins are probably genuine or an impressive fake - they don't show the typical differences shown on Holger Merlitz' site and I've not found any other differences.</p><p></p><p>Also part of the printing could indeed be original from the 70s - I've found several images of CZJ bins labelled 1Q aus Jena or just Jena on the left and M or E plus the size on the right - the M indeed standing for Mitteltrieb and the E for Einzelokular. This was the result of a long legal battle between Zeiss Oberkochen and Carl Zeiss Jena and the agreement in 1971 was that both companies were allowed to use the name Zeiss in their sphere of influence and had to use a different name when trading abroad. Zeiss West used Opton and CZJ used "aus Jena". There remains the question how this fits the serial number from the 60s...</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.ebay.de/itm/Fernglas-Carl-Zeiss-aus-Jena-8-x-30-/141712034132?nma=true&si=hm61%252FxtIKz96M3EE58SJkwe1UHI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557" target="_blank">http://www.ebay.de/itm/Fernglas-Carl-Zeiss-aus-Jena-8-x-30-/141712034132?nma=true&si=hm61%2FxtIKz96M3EE58SJkwe1UHI%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557</a></p><p><a href="http://forum.astronomie.de/phpapps/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1084880/Fernglas_aus_Jena" target="_blank">http://forum.astronomie.de/phpapps/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1084880/Fernglas_aus_Jena</a></p><p><a href="http://tedbrink.webs.com/germanyausjena7x50.htm" target="_blank">http://tedbrink.webs.com/germanyausjena7x50.htm</a></p><p></p><p>And here some history of Zeiss and the different logos.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.zeiss.de/corporate/de_de/geschichte/firmengeschichte/das-zeiss-logo.html" target="_blank">http://www.zeiss.de/corporate/de_de/geschichte/firmengeschichte/das-zeiss-logo.html</a></p><p></p><p>We'll probably never know who botched up the printing on those and why - but it seems not very probably that a person able to build a pair of fake Zeiss bins indistinguishable from the real thing would mess up the printing on them in such an obvious way...</p><p></p><p>So if the view is good, you might just as well use them - they are not a collectors piece, though...</p><p></p><p>Joachim</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jring, post: 3316715, member: 133897"] Hi, after having had closer look at the photos and disregarding the printing, I'm inclined to say that the bins are probably genuine or an impressive fake - they don't show the typical differences shown on Holger Merlitz' site and I've not found any other differences. Also part of the printing could indeed be original from the 70s - I've found several images of CZJ bins labelled 1Q aus Jena or just Jena on the left and M or E plus the size on the right - the M indeed standing for Mitteltrieb and the E for Einzelokular. This was the result of a long legal battle between Zeiss Oberkochen and Carl Zeiss Jena and the agreement in 1971 was that both companies were allowed to use the name Zeiss in their sphere of influence and had to use a different name when trading abroad. Zeiss West used Opton and CZJ used "aus Jena". There remains the question how this fits the serial number from the 60s... [url]http://www.ebay.de/itm/Fernglas-Carl-Zeiss-aus-Jena-8-x-30-/141712034132?nma=true&si=hm61%252FxtIKz96M3EE58SJkwe1UHI%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557[/url] [url]http://forum.astronomie.de/phpapps/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1084880/Fernglas_aus_Jena[/url] [url]http://tedbrink.webs.com/germanyausjena7x50.htm[/url] And here some history of Zeiss and the different logos. [url]http://www.zeiss.de/corporate/de_de/geschichte/firmengeschichte/das-zeiss-logo.html[/url] We'll probably never know who botched up the printing on those and why - but it seems not very probably that a person able to build a pair of fake Zeiss bins indistinguishable from the real thing would mess up the printing on them in such an obvious way... So if the view is good, you might just as well use them - they are not a collectors piece, though... Joachim [/QUOTE]
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