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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Björn Bergenholtz" data-source="post: 3923350" data-attributes="member: 113430">Nothing major, but maybe of interest, see Historia de la historia natural de Costa Rica ... (<a href="http://www.diarioextra.com/Noticia/detalle/238081/historia-de-la-historia-natural-de-costa-rica:-tropico-agreste" target="_blank">here</a>, all in Spanish):Or: Biografía Karl Hoffmann: un naturalista en tiempos turbulentos (<a href="https://www.yumpu.com/es/document/view/2114558/biografia-karl-hoffmann-un-naturalista-en-tiempos-turbulentos-catie" target="_blank">here</a>):At least both those papers indicate that Don Carmiol's surname originated from Carnigohl (and not Garnigohl, as earlier have been claimed, in this thread proven wrong).What pieces of the dedicatees behind the Carmiol Birds remain missing? To me it looks like we've found the true names, and years (as well as most dates), of "our guys"; Julius (a k a Julián alt. Julian) and Franz (a k a Francisco) [the latter being my main concern <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />].Or are some parts still in doubt?Have we, for example, (for sure) established the Birth date of Franz ("Francisco Carmiol")? Björn</blockquote>