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Chilean eponyms (2 Viewers)
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Sorry for Chadwick, if he´d known of the HBW Alive Key he could have filled in most of the gaps. 
Taphrospilus
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... and therefore he re-introduced errors e.g. what we discussed here...
And I agree looking at HBW Alive Key would have saved him time.
And I agree looking at HBW Alive Key would have saved him time.
James Jobling
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However, Valdés Chadwick makes an interesting observation on Rhea (see my updated entry in HBWAlive Key under that name).
Taphrospilus
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I am sure it is an interesting article but my Spanish is to weak (and of course it is always easier to point at errors than writing such an article).
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Let´s stir up a small whirl-wind of various contradictory claims!
Without having checked them myself, simply comparing the Paper by Valdés Chadwick with Jobling's HBW Alive Key I noted not less than 16 explanations of various Eponyms (here excluding any Mythological persons) that differ, some only in details, but some in a major way.
Thereby, let´s have a quick look at those ones! But to avoid a total mess of various replies, of all 16 at the same time, let´s deal with them one by one.
Significant differences, discrepancies in blue. Obvious errors in red … Ok, here goes:
belcheri in Slender-billed Prion Pachyptila belcheri MATHEWS 1912 a k a Thin- or Narrow-billed Prion alt. ditto Whale-bird
Valdés Chadwick (p.13): Sir Edward Belcher (1799–1877), explorador naval británico ...
Today's HBW Alive Key: Sir Charles Frederic Belcher (1876-1970), Australian jurist, ornithologist, ...
Anyone have an opinion?
Björn
PS. And James, I agree, loved your (i.e. Valdés Chadwick's) added interpretation on Rhea!
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Without having checked them myself, simply comparing the Paper by Valdés Chadwick with Jobling's HBW Alive Key I noted not less than 16 explanations of various Eponyms (here excluding any Mythological persons) that differ, some only in details, but some in a major way.
Thereby, let´s have a quick look at those ones! But to avoid a total mess of various replies, of all 16 at the same time, let´s deal with them one by one.
Significant differences, discrepancies in blue. Obvious errors in red … Ok, here goes:
belcheri in Slender-billed Prion Pachyptila belcheri MATHEWS 1912 a k a Thin- or Narrow-billed Prion alt. ditto Whale-bird
Valdés Chadwick (p.13): Sir Edward Belcher (1799–1877), explorador naval británico ...
Today's HBW Alive Key: Sir Charles Frederic Belcher (1876-1970), Australian jurist, ornithologist, ...
Anyone have an opinion?
Björn
PS. And James, I agree, loved your (i.e. Valdés Chadwick's) added interpretation on Rhea!
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
The "worl-wind" scattered ...
Ouups! Lazy me. That was quick (and easy), with far more info than expected from the wilful Gregory Macalister Mathews (whom often is very scarce with information and known for his incomprehensible scientific names). It definitely rules out any "Edward Belcher" claimed by Valdés Chadwick … it sure looks in favour for James's explanation.
And now I feel a bit stupid, not checking belcheri myself (and the rest of those what I believed was alternate explanations), but I simply took it for granted that Valdés Chadwick, in preparation for such an article, in quite an established journal, had started with the basic checks of the OD's, which he obviously haven´t done. I had the impression he might have found new intriguing facts on quite a few obscure Eponyms … but no, no.
It sure makes the 15 other discrepancies and errors far less interesting to deal with. And I see no reason to repeat any erroneous claims once again … the explanations by Jobling still rules!
However two apparent differences (and I guess they are simply typos by James) are:
● defilippiana in De Filippi's Petrel Pterodroma defilippiana GIGLIOLI & SALVADORI 1869 (here) as "Aestrelata Defilippiana"
Valdés Chadwick (p.13): Filippo de Filippi (1814–1867), médico, viajero y zoólogo italiano
Today's HBW Alive Key: Prof. Filippo de’ Defilippi (1814-1867) Italian naturalist
... surely it must be the Italian doctor, traveler and zoologist Filippo De Filippi (1814-1867). Born in Pavie, Italy, 20 April 1814 … died in Hong Kong 9 February 1867 …!?
● tarnii in Black-throated Huet-huet Pteroptochos tarnii KING 1831 (here) as "Hylactes Tarnii"
Valdés Chadwick (p.16): J. Tarn (1794–1877), cirujano inglés de la expedición marítima inglesa
Today's HBW Alive Key: Surgeon JohnTarn (1794-1877) Royal Navy, surgeon-naturalist
… simply a missed blanc step? Or is it, as elsewhere is claimed, "John de Tarn (1794-1877)" … ?
However, I still stubbornly believe they are both wrong in:
● Zenaida as in the Generic name Zenaida BONAPARTE 1838
Valdés Chadwick (p.17): Princesa Zenaida Charlotte Julia Bonaparte (1804–1854)
Today's HBW Alive Key: Zénaïde Laetitia Julie Princesse Bonaparte (1804–1854)
= Zénaïde Laetitia Julie Bonaparte (1801–1854)
Earlier dealt with in Bird-forum thread: Some additional etymological information – Part VII (here, Post; #1, No. 4)
The intended "whirl-wind" sure lost some of its steam … and slowly faded away!
I will deal with those very few remaining, worth the effort, in one or two separate threads.
Björn
Valdés Chadwick … over and out!
Ouups! Lazy me. That was quick (and easy), with far more info than expected from the wilful Gregory Macalister Mathews (whom often is very scarce with information and known for his incomprehensible scientific names). It definitely rules out any "Edward Belcher" claimed by Valdés Chadwick … it sure looks in favour for James's explanation.
And now I feel a bit stupid, not checking belcheri myself (and the rest of those what I believed was alternate explanations), but I simply took it for granted that Valdés Chadwick, in preparation for such an article, in quite an established journal, had started with the basic checks of the OD's, which he obviously haven´t done. I had the impression he might have found new intriguing facts on quite a few obscure Eponyms … but no, no.
It sure makes the 15 other discrepancies and errors far less interesting to deal with. And I see no reason to repeat any erroneous claims once again … the explanations by Jobling still rules!
However two apparent differences (and I guess they are simply typos by James) are:
● defilippiana in De Filippi's Petrel Pterodroma defilippiana GIGLIOLI & SALVADORI 1869 (here) as "Aestrelata Defilippiana"
Valdés Chadwick (p.13): Filippo de Filippi (1814–1867), médico, viajero y zoólogo italiano
Today's HBW Alive Key: Prof. Filippo de’ Defilippi (1814-1867) Italian naturalist
... surely it must be the Italian doctor, traveler and zoologist Filippo De Filippi (1814-1867). Born in Pavie, Italy, 20 April 1814 … died in Hong Kong 9 February 1867 …!?
● tarnii in Black-throated Huet-huet Pteroptochos tarnii KING 1831 (here) as "Hylactes Tarnii"
Valdés Chadwick (p.16): J. Tarn (1794–1877), cirujano inglés de la expedición marítima inglesa
Today's HBW Alive Key: Surgeon JohnTarn (1794-1877) Royal Navy, surgeon-naturalist
… simply a missed blanc step? Or is it, as elsewhere is claimed, "John de Tarn (1794-1877)" … ?
However, I still stubbornly believe they are both wrong in:
● Zenaida as in the Generic name Zenaida BONAPARTE 1838
Valdés Chadwick (p.17): Princesa Zenaida Charlotte Julia Bonaparte (1804–1854)
Today's HBW Alive Key: Zénaïde Laetitia Julie Princesse Bonaparte (1804–1854)
= Zénaïde Laetitia Julie Bonaparte (1801–1854)
Earlier dealt with in Bird-forum thread: Some additional etymological information – Part VII (here, Post; #1, No. 4)
The intended "whirl-wind" sure lost some of its steam … and slowly faded away!
I will deal with those very few remaining, worth the effort, in one or two separate threads.
Björn
Valdés Chadwick … over and out!
Taphrospilus
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Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
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janvanderbrugge
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Hallo, Bjoern (!), Taphrospilus (= Martin, deducing from Björns messages), Laurent, James,
For a short while I hesitated about sending any reaction now, but it seems right to do so as a signal for being alert at anything we get to read . . . I printed the list Epónimos de la Ornitología Chilena, which is composed by Consuelo Valdés Chadwick.
Now, apart from the question whether your knowledge of Spanish is weak or more advanced: Consuelo (a noun
meaning comfort) is a name for a woman. Yes, the word is masculine, but it is simply not correct to say "he should have consulted etc." or "he is mistaken", because there is no "he" here.
Such names are rare; a comparable one is Amparo (shelter, protection). As a person's name this is not in use for a man! These names have no feminine form, because they are masculine nouns.
More common is the name Pilar, another masculine word, = pillar, column. Somewhat different in origin, for it refers to María del Pilar, a famous statue of the Virgin Mary on a stone pillar in the Spanish city of Zaragoza.
Talking about Spanish names: a name well-known to everyone is Mercedes, but for your information: this is another woman's name, meaning "graces, virtues". Ladies bearing that name are not named after a motorcar, on the contrary, the car (and brand) has received the lady's name . . .
You will agree with me that we, as taxonomists and etymologists, need some orientation in many dominions of culture, geography, flora, colours and wild life, and anything which has given inspiration for bird names. Last week I handled the name Sphenura guajacina, which is derived from a tropical tree Guajacum, which produces a certain colour . . . Well, somehow it gives a good feeling to gather some knowledge of all those fields of interest, but soemtimes you get the idea that the allied fields are too vast and numerous too handle . . .!
P.S. This has nothing to do with the question of Ammomanes deserti janeti for Janet Clay, which I posted a few days ago, unless a bird name with consueli or ampari would turn up . . .
This was just a hint, I sincerely admire your contributions, endurance and enthusiasm.
Best regards,
Jan van der Brugge
For a short while I hesitated about sending any reaction now, but it seems right to do so as a signal for being alert at anything we get to read . . . I printed the list Epónimos de la Ornitología Chilena, which is composed by Consuelo Valdés Chadwick.
Now, apart from the question whether your knowledge of Spanish is weak or more advanced: Consuelo (a noun
meaning comfort) is a name for a woman. Yes, the word is masculine, but it is simply not correct to say "he should have consulted etc." or "he is mistaken", because there is no "he" here.
Such names are rare; a comparable one is Amparo (shelter, protection). As a person's name this is not in use for a man! These names have no feminine form, because they are masculine nouns.
More common is the name Pilar, another masculine word, = pillar, column. Somewhat different in origin, for it refers to María del Pilar, a famous statue of the Virgin Mary on a stone pillar in the Spanish city of Zaragoza.
Talking about Spanish names: a name well-known to everyone is Mercedes, but for your information: this is another woman's name, meaning "graces, virtues". Ladies bearing that name are not named after a motorcar, on the contrary, the car (and brand) has received the lady's name . . .
You will agree with me that we, as taxonomists and etymologists, need some orientation in many dominions of culture, geography, flora, colours and wild life, and anything which has given inspiration for bird names. Last week I handled the name Sphenura guajacina, which is derived from a tropical tree Guajacum, which produces a certain colour . . . Well, somehow it gives a good feeling to gather some knowledge of all those fields of interest, but soemtimes you get the idea that the allied fields are too vast and numerous too handle . . .!
P.S. This has nothing to do with the question of Ammomanes deserti janeti for Janet Clay, which I posted a few days ago, unless a bird name with consueli or ampari would turn up . . .
This was just a hint, I sincerely admire your contributions, endurance and enthusiasm.
Best regards,
Jan van der Brugge
Björn Bergenholtz
(former alias "Calalp")
Jan, Good point, my mistake, my error, my sloppy predjudice; she should have consulted ... etc.
Of course, Consuelo is a woman. Even I with my "weak" Spanish (thank you! It´s not even close) interpret it that way. I was simply to busy what the Paper told us to consider the Author. Careless. Sorry.
She´s easy to find by a quick Google Picture Seek.
And don´t hesitate in the future, keep pointing them out, whatever small or large! Anything wrong, even in the slightest detail, is still wrong.
Taphrospilus
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I agree and must admit that I haven't checked at all the name of the author.
Taphrospilus
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Pteroptochos tarnii (King, PP 1831) OD pt.1-2 (1830-1832) - Proceedings of the Committee of Science and Correspondence of the Zoological Society of London - Biodiversity Heritage Library
The Eponym Dictionary of Birds
A comprehensive dictionary listing all the people whose names are commemorated in the English and scientific names of birds.Birdwatchers often come across bird names that include a person's name, either in the vernacular (English) name or latinised in the scientific nomenclature. Such names are...
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The Key to Scientific Names - Birds of the World
Species accounts for all the birds of the world.
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Björn mentioned in his MS.
Different claims, re. the Birth year of the dedicatee ...
See also Tarn, John (1793 - 1877)
Even if no clear dedication he is highly probable.
If born 1793 or 1794 in Shipton-Under-Wychwood, Oxfordshire may or may not be clarified here. Feel free to add your comments.
Definitely born in 1793 (attached). Very clear dedication in Kings appendix to Fitzroy's subsequent publication (Narrative of the Surveying Voyages of his Majesty’s ships Adventure and Beagle between the Years 1826 and 1836 Describing their Examinations of the Southern Shores of South America, and the Beagle’s Circumnavigation of the Globe London, Henry Colburn, Great Marlborough Street, 1839 Vol 1, Pg 536)
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