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<blockquote data-quote="Chosun Juan" data-source="post: 3322906" data-attributes="member: 92780"><p>Nutcracker - agree wholeheartedly :t:</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately wind does not recognise fence lines.</p><p></p><p>There have been instances here where a GM crop (Canola seeds modified for a particular herbicide resistance eg. Glycophosphate" - non-coincidentally also sold by the same company!):eek!: have been planted on adjoining properties using different herbicides or next to roadsides where grain spill is an issue for crop escapees. The upshot is cross contamination requiring both lots of herbicides to be used on both crops! Thus near doubling the herbicide load, not to mention costs. More than one life long neighboring friendship has ended up coming to blows in court. Apart from evolved resistance (already a problem) therein lies a problem, though by far not the major one.</p><p></p><p>The other biggie is pretty strong emerging evidence linking corporate chemical farming to bee colony collapse. All arguments will be moot anyway if that disaster keeps unfolding ......</p><p></p><p>The real objection though, is in the Corporatisation of food. The same company selling the same once-only use seeds, as well as the herbicides they have been engineered to resist. Ding Ding :brains:</p><p></p><p>Is it any wonder that there is European resistance to the US corporatisation and monopolisation of food itself??? :cat:</p><p></p><p>I agree there is room in the GM process for naturally resistant strains of food, but that just buys a modicum of time - you know nature, she never sits still for long, the goalposts just get temporarily shuffled along for a bit. I watched a fascinating show the other day whereby the Great Reed Warbler and the particular Cuckoo that exploits them are locked in a continual evolutionary battle of continuously refined detection on one hand, and egg matching and call mimicking subterfuge on the other ...... After generation upon generations both species are getting better and better, and the nuances more and more subtle. :cat:</p><p></p><p>This type of thing can help developing and developed nations alike. The killing of weeds is a similarly backwards move to unsustainable irrigation and soil degrading agricultural practices. The only way forward is to BUILD SOIL, and repair natural hydrological and connected native old growth vegetation community functioning. Interestingly, managed multi-species grazing can be employed to effectively mimick the functioning of ancient megafauna, provided that they can be kept out of destroying wetlands and riparian areas, and that no new country is cleared. There is enough stuffed country to repair for generations anyway. Africa with what's left of its large land animals and plethora of bitey biteys may be another case altogether!</p><p></p><p>I thoroughly recommend that anyone with even a passing interest read the two books by Natural Sequencing Farming and landscape guru Peter Andrews OAM (the OAM is something of a lesson in determination considering he was regarded as a nutter and pariah for many many decades!) .... "Back from the Brink", and "Beyond the Brink" :t:</p><p><a href="https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=back+from+the+brink+peter+andrews" target="_blank">https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=back+from+the+brink+peter+andrews</a></p><p><a href="https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=beyond+the+brink+peter+andrews" target="_blank">https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=beyond+the+brink+peter+andrews</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have been to his life's work "Tarwyn Park" - what an eye-opener and revolution to say the least! :eek!: <a href="http://www.nsfarming.com/" target="_blank">http://www.nsfarming.com/</a> </p><p>Great case study here, and also Peter Andrews OAM on weeds:</p><p><a href="http://mullooncreeknaturalfarms.com.au/environment/management-practices/natural-sequence-farming" target="_blank">http://mullooncreeknaturalfarms.com.au/environment/management-practices/natural-sequence-farming</a></p><p><a href="http://www.ecofilms.com.au/peter-andrews-on-weeds/" target="_blank">http://www.ecofilms.com.au/peter-andrews-on-weeds/</a></p><p></p><p>YOU MUST WATCH THIS!!: PETER ANDREWS ON WEEDS <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjlia4DjgKg" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjlia4DjgKg</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>Chosun :gh:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chosun Juan, post: 3322906, member: 92780"] Nutcracker - agree wholeheartedly :t: Unfortunately wind does not recognise fence lines. There have been instances here where a GM crop (Canola seeds modified for a particular herbicide resistance eg. Glycophosphate" - non-coincidentally also sold by the same company!):eek!: have been planted on adjoining properties using different herbicides or next to roadsides where grain spill is an issue for crop escapees. The upshot is cross contamination requiring both lots of herbicides to be used on both crops! Thus near doubling the herbicide load, not to mention costs. More than one life long neighboring friendship has ended up coming to blows in court. Apart from evolved resistance (already a problem) therein lies a problem, though by far not the major one. The other biggie is pretty strong emerging evidence linking corporate chemical farming to bee colony collapse. All arguments will be moot anyway if that disaster keeps unfolding ...... The real objection though, is in the Corporatisation of food. The same company selling the same once-only use seeds, as well as the herbicides they have been engineered to resist. Ding Ding :brains: Is it any wonder that there is European resistance to the US corporatisation and monopolisation of food itself??? :cat: I agree there is room in the GM process for naturally resistant strains of food, but that just buys a modicum of time - you know nature, she never sits still for long, the goalposts just get temporarily shuffled along for a bit. I watched a fascinating show the other day whereby the Great Reed Warbler and the particular Cuckoo that exploits them are locked in a continual evolutionary battle of continuously refined detection on one hand, and egg matching and call mimicking subterfuge on the other ...... After generation upon generations both species are getting better and better, and the nuances more and more subtle. :cat: This type of thing can help developing and developed nations alike. The killing of weeds is a similarly backwards move to unsustainable irrigation and soil degrading agricultural practices. The only way forward is to BUILD SOIL, and repair natural hydrological and connected native old growth vegetation community functioning. Interestingly, managed multi-species grazing can be employed to effectively mimick the functioning of ancient megafauna, provided that they can be kept out of destroying wetlands and riparian areas, and that no new country is cleared. There is enough stuffed country to repair for generations anyway. Africa with what's left of its large land animals and plethora of bitey biteys may be another case altogether! I thoroughly recommend that anyone with even a passing interest read the two books by Natural Sequencing Farming and landscape guru Peter Andrews OAM (the OAM is something of a lesson in determination considering he was regarded as a nutter and pariah for many many decades!) .... "Back from the Brink", and "Beyond the Brink" :t: [url]https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=back+from+the+brink+peter+andrews[/url] [url]https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=beyond+the+brink+peter+andrews[/url] I have been to his life's work "Tarwyn Park" - what an eye-opener and revolution to say the least! :eek!: [url]http://www.nsfarming.com/[/url] Great case study here, and also Peter Andrews OAM on weeds: [url]http://mullooncreeknaturalfarms.com.au/environment/management-practices/natural-sequence-farming[/url] [url]http://www.ecofilms.com.au/peter-andrews-on-weeds/[/url] YOU MUST WATCH THIS!!: PETER ANDREWS ON WEEDS [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjlia4DjgKg[/url] Chosun :gh: [/QUOTE]
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