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Collins Bird Guide: new edition (1 Viewer)
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Winterdune
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God this is frustrating. Collins website says publication date 26 Nov, Amazon emailed me a revised delivery date of 2 Dec, and now Killian M is saying March NEXT YEAR. What is going on?
John Cantelo
Well-known member
I see the posting has been ammended as suggested, but given the opening comment I can't help feeling it is extraordinarily discourteous to the man concerned to post even the link on this much wider and more popular forum (let alone the original details). Hence I'd go further and suggest all mention of this specific correspondence be deleted,
Have I missed something? Looks like some post or link has been removed, resulting in a thread filled with more riddles than ever. Maybe some basic summary about the reasons for the repeated delays would further their understanding.
Richard Klim
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Yesterday I posted a link to another well-known and popular open-access birding discussion group which offered a useful clarification about the contents of the forthcoming second edition and its likely publication date from one of those involved in its production. I thought that this would be helpful to the many BirdForum members who have placed orders in good faith and are becoming increasingly frustrated by the deliberately misleading publication dates that continue to be quoted by various sources.
However it's clear that a number of BirdForum members believe that postings on other forums should be treated as confidential, despite being in the public domain. Rather than get involved in a typically unproductive confrontation, I decided it would be easier to delete the post as requested to avoid any further unpleasantness.
The official publication date remains 26 Nov 2009...
Richard
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Capercaillie71
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What an extraordinary over-reaction. Having looked at the 'top-secret' posting on the other wesbite (not too difficult to find by googling the author's name and ID frontiers), I wonder if there has not been a misinterpretation of the first sentence? I read it as meaning that the publishers and other authors do not subscribe to that particular website so KM was the only person in a position to answer the question that had been asked. Nothing to do with being able to tell people secrets because the publisher won't find out.
If people don't want information to be made public, they generally don't post it on the internet!
Richard Klim
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Well, that was exactly my interpretation - KM was taking it upon himself to reply because he guessed that the publishers and co-authors would be very unlikely to have seen the query and give a response.
And, as you say, if KM intended the information to be confidential, I'm sure that he would have responded privately rather than on a popular forum with a wide international following.
But having been publicly harangued for being 'extraordinarily discourteous', I decided to opt for retreat...
Richard
Pete Mella
Getting there...
I agree there's not really a lot of problem linking to something someone said on an open forum.
It's both good and bad news - bad it's going to take so long, but it definitely sounds worth waiting for.
It's both good and bad news - bad it's going to take so long, but it definitely sounds worth waiting for.
What a fuss about nothing!! Richard's right IMO of his interpretation of Killian's posting and as already been said, it's on an open-forum that's easily found....still won't effect when the book comes out as publishers work to their own timetables - the book I'm working on at the moment has been 'forthcoming' for about 7yrs now.....!!!
Hello,
link for all interested in 2nd edition
http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/FRID.html#1254869199
Thank you Richard
Bernard
link for all interested in 2nd edition
http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/FRID.html#1254869199
Thank you Richard
Bernard
Oh-oh, I see there has been an unintended consequence to my replying to Angus Wilson's query on ID-Frontiers! I'm sorry if the wording of my posting was ambiguous but I should make it clear that Richard Klim and others interpreted it exactly as I intended it, so I have no objection whatsoever to either a link, or the message in full being posted here. However, I appreciate that those who raised questions did so out of genuine concern that I might not have wished my reply to Angus to be given wider exposure and I thank them for their good intentions - I hope Richard can excuse John, and John can excuse me for not having made myself absolutely clear!
I have, of course, been aware of this ongoing thread on Birdforum and I can appreciate the frustration caused by the numerous false publication announcements. I really don't understand how it can be in the interest of any publisher to repeatedly disappoint prospective purchasers of one of their titles, but I guess they must have their reasons. Those of us involved in the work have known for at least the past twelve months that there was no chance of it being out before autumn 2009; alas, everything did not come together quite as planned during the spring, so publication has been delayed by around 6months. So far as I am aware, just about everything is in place now, printing will commence very soon and according to the Swedish publishers, with whom I and my co-authors have been working directly, publication is currently scheduled for March 2010. I assume that the Collins edition will be published at the same time.
For the benefit of those who have not already followed the link to my earlier posting, the number of pages has increased by about 10% in the revised edition. While most of the book is unchanged, twenty-four new spreads have been used both to alleviate some of the more crowded plates in the first edition, and treat around 40 additional species, the majority of which are the result of taxonomic changes. Treatment of rare ducks, shearwaters, pelicans, grebes, birds of prey, cranes, large gulls, pigeons, doves, owls, pipits, chats, thrushes, warblers, flycatchers, shrikes and North American passerines have all been extensively revised, with the addition of numerous new and improved paintings while, where necessary, distribution maps have been updated.
So, in response to the question "should owners of the first edition plan on an upgrade?" my answer would be a definite 'YES", but then I would say that, wouldn't I?!
Kind regards,
Killian Mullarney
I have, of course, been aware of this ongoing thread on Birdforum and I can appreciate the frustration caused by the numerous false publication announcements. I really don't understand how it can be in the interest of any publisher to repeatedly disappoint prospective purchasers of one of their titles, but I guess they must have their reasons. Those of us involved in the work have known for at least the past twelve months that there was no chance of it being out before autumn 2009; alas, everything did not come together quite as planned during the spring, so publication has been delayed by around 6months. So far as I am aware, just about everything is in place now, printing will commence very soon and according to the Swedish publishers, with whom I and my co-authors have been working directly, publication is currently scheduled for March 2010. I assume that the Collins edition will be published at the same time.
For the benefit of those who have not already followed the link to my earlier posting, the number of pages has increased by about 10% in the revised edition. While most of the book is unchanged, twenty-four new spreads have been used both to alleviate some of the more crowded plates in the first edition, and treat around 40 additional species, the majority of which are the result of taxonomic changes. Treatment of rare ducks, shearwaters, pelicans, grebes, birds of prey, cranes, large gulls, pigeons, doves, owls, pipits, chats, thrushes, warblers, flycatchers, shrikes and North American passerines have all been extensively revised, with the addition of numerous new and improved paintings while, where necessary, distribution maps have been updated.
So, in response to the question "should owners of the first edition plan on an upgrade?" my answer would be a definite 'YES", but then I would say that, wouldn't I?!
Kind regards,
Killian Mullarney
Richard Klim
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Many thanks for that, Killian.
And sincere apologies for inadvertantly drawing you into an unfortunate misunderstanding.
Looking forward to the new guide - my first edition is now in several separate spineless, muddy, rain-warped and dog-eared chunks, in urgent need of retirement!
Richard
And sincere apologies for inadvertantly drawing you into an unfortunate misunderstanding.
Looking forward to the new guide - my first edition is now in several separate spineless, muddy, rain-warped and dog-eared chunks, in urgent need of retirement!
Richard
colonelboris
Right way up again
Mine's going the same way and I'll be happy as anything to get the new one (not that I need it much at the moment...).
Well, that is really exciting news, despite the delays involved. Thank you very much for posting the info here as well, as we were all wondering what the new edition will bring.
It's one thing to discuss the delays, and another to discuss the new parts of the book. So we now have the info, and I'm most grateful to all who brought it up one way or another.
I'm definitely looking forward to this book, and having to wait is a price I am easily willing to pay considering the info I now have.
Now, if we could get that new edition in GERMAN as well!
phil sharp
Well-known member
The New Edition is meant to be out at the end of this month has anyone or does anyone know anyone who has seen a copy yet?
Edward
Umimmak
March 2010 at the earliest. See above.
