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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ceasar" data-source="post: 3217233" data-attributes="member: 26155">scillyfive,Regarding the other options you requested there is the Zeiss 8x32 Terra ED and, for the life of me, I don't know how we missed it because it seems to fit all of your personal criteria. I don't see it on the list of binoculars you have tried. It costs $350.00 US funds, weighs just under 18 ounces and has 16.5mm eye relief and 3 position eye cups and it is made in China for Zeiss who oversees its construction.  You can find out more about it here:<a href="http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/zeiss/zeiss-terra-ed-8x32-binocular" target="_blank">http://www.eagleoptics.com/binoculars/zeiss/zeiss-terra-ed-8x32-binocular</a>Be sure to read the two 5 star reviews about it.  There is a long thread about it in the Zeiss sub-forum and John Dracon has a good report on it starting with post #63 in the thread below.  There are more reports on it following John's report including one from me.  I currently use it as a car binocular and I am very impressed with it. You should be able to find one easily to try out.  I think you will like it.  <a href="http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=297479&page=3" target="_blank">http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=297479&page=3</a>Bob.PS:  I hope they are now available in England.  If not and you aren't satisfied with the ones you have checked out these might be worth waiting for.:t:</blockquote>