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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kevin Purcell" data-source="post: 1479135" data-attributes="member: 68323">Pantomime mode on:Oh, yes they are ...I think weight 8oz for the Conquest or 10oz  for the Victory is rather different than the 515 grams = 18.2 ounces Opticron Oregon LE WP 8x32 (with no phase correction). Or the 682 grams Discovery at 24.1 ounces That's two to three times heavier!. It's a big difference when you put one in your pocket. They're also significantly bigger. They're in a different weight and size class. And optical class too.Whilst the alpha bins do have cachet they also have very good optics. My Victory (unfortunately) is the only compact roof I've ended up being happy with. The next closest are 1" or so reverse porros: bulkier and little heavier but with decent views. So if you can't afford an alpha compact roof go for a $100 or £100 reverse porro. Opticron Taiga in the UK.I suspect the only disaster that's happen when I sit on my Victory is to me <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>