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Comparing the British list to other countries (1 Viewer)

Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening
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Scotland
Bonxie2003 - did you mean to put Scopoli's Shearwater? As far as I know there are very few confirmed records. I notice that Balearic Shearwater is missing, which would perhaps be an obvious species for your list, so maybe you confused the two.
 

bonxie2003

Going for the One
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United Kingdom
Bonxie2003 - did you mean to put Scopoli's Shearwater? As far as I know there are very few confirmed records. I notice that Balearic Shearwater is missing, which would perhaps be an obvious species for your list, so maybe you confused the two.

Interestingly the BS is on the “common” list. I’ll check the SS
 

Farnboro John

Well-known member
American Wigeon Twitch
Green-winged Teal Twitch
Ferruginous Duck Twitch
Ring-necked Duck Twitch
Lesser Scaup Twitch
Surf Scoter Firth of Forth
Quail Tough one! (Easy to hear in traditional places)
White-billed Diver Portsoy
Wilson’s Petrel Pelagic
Leach’s Petrel Wirral
Scopoli's Shearwater Rarity
Cory’s Shearwater Cornwall
Sooty Shearwater Cornwall
Great Shearwater Cornwall
White Stork hard to avoid escapes/releases
Glossy Ibis Twitch
Spoonbill Poole Harbour/Pennington
Night-heron Twitch
Cattle Egret Warblington/Abbotsbury
Purple Heron Twitch
Great White Egret Dungeness/Somerset Levels
Montagu’s Harrier Hard!
Black Kite Twitch
Rough-legged Buzzard Twitch
Spotted Crake Scilly
American Golden Plover Scilly/Shetland
Kentish Plover Twitch
Temminck’s Stint East coast passage
White-rumped Sandpiper Twitch
Buff-breasted Sandpiper Scilly
Pectoral Sandpiper Autumn passage
Red-necked Phalarope Hebrides/Shetland
Grey Phalarope Cornwall/Scilly
Sabine’s Gull Cornwall
Little Gull Hornsea Mere (by the thousand)
Ring-billed Gull Copperhouse Creek
Iceland Gull Northern harbours
White-winged Black Tern Twitch
Pomarine Skua Cornwall/Selsey/Splash Point/Dungeness
Long-tailed Skua Norfolk autumn
Little Auk Twitch
Alpine Swift Twitch
Bee-eater Twitch
Hoopoe Twitch
Wryneck Scilly
Red-footed Falcon Twitch
Great Grey Shrike Thursley/Frensham/Cannock (many traditional wintering sites)
Woodchat Shrike Twitch
Waxwing Twitch
Penduline Tit Twitch
Short-toed Lark Scilly
Red-rumped Swallow Twitch
Yellow-browed Warbler Scilly/Shetland/East Coast autumn
Pallas’s Warbler Scilly/Shetland/East Coast autumn
Radde’s Warbler Twitch
Dusky Warbler Twitch
Greenish Warbler Twitch
Blyth’s Reed Warbler Shetland
Marsh Warbler Twitch
Melodious Warbler Portland August
Icterine Warbler Twitch
Barred Warbler Shetland/Scilly/East Coast autumn
Subalpine Warbler (which?)
Rose-coloured Starling Scilly
Bluethroat Shetland/Scilly/East Coast autumn
Red-breasted Flycatcher Shetland/Scilly/East Coast autumn
Siberian Stonechat Twitch (once DNA'd!)
Citrine Wagtail Shetland/Scilly/East Coast autumn
Richard’s Pipit Scilly/East Coast autumn
Olive-backed Pipit Shetland/Scilly/East Coast autumn
Common Shetland/Scilly/East Coast autumn
Mealy Redpoll Check redpoll flocks
Arctic Redpoll Shetland
Parrot Crossbill Twitch
Serin Twitch
Lapland Bunting Shetland/Scilly/East Coast autumn
Ortolan Bunting Twitch
Little Bunting Shetland/Scilly/East Coast autumn

The birds listed as "Shetland/Scilly/East Coast autumn" are not far off dead certs on a week/fortnight stay in the places listed from mid September to end October. I'm not saying you'd get all of them but e.g. a fortnight on Shetland would be likely to give you a good half-dozen, plus some rarities. You might have to at least engage with local birders a bit, I'm assuming you aren't a hermit.

In total you should get at least 30 of the above without huge difficulty by putting yourself in the right place during the right period. I'm amazed that Spoonbill and Great White Egret are even on this list.

In addition, there are some rarities that just turn up the same places beyond regularly. If you go to Topsham RSPB in winter (any winter) your chances of seeing a Long-billed Dowitcher are better than even.

John
 

Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening
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Scotland
One species not on the list is King Eider. It's in theory a 'vagrant' but there have been at least one or two birds that have been reliably present at certain sites at certain times of the year for many years. If I go to the Ythan Estuary in April or May I would be surprised if there isn't one about there.
 

bonxie2003

Going for the One
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United Kingdom
When I started out on this, I wasn’t expecting my lists to be scrutinised too closely. I may need to update.

My British list stands at 441 (IOC), but I’m still missing quail (heard loads), Blyth’s RW, Melodious W (always seems to have seen half an hour ago!) and Sib St.
 
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opisska

Jan Ebr
Poland
I forgot that a lot of you don't count just sounds, that way the Czech number should be a bit smaller.
 

Andy Adcock

Well-known member
England
When I started out on this, I wasn’t expecting my lists to be scrutinised too closely. I may need to update.

My British list stands at 441 (IOC), but I’m still missing quail (heard loads), Blyth’s RW, Melodious W (always seems to have seen half an hour ago!) and Sib St.

Welcome to Birdforum......;)
 

Farnboro John

Well-known member
When I started out on this, I wasn’t expecting my lists to be scrutinised too closely. I may need to update.

My British list stands at 441 (IOC), but I’m still missing quail (heard loads), Blyth’s RW, Melodious W (always seems to have seen half an hour ago!) and Sib St.

Only trying to help.... there's a long-staying Sibechat at the moment that you could go and see - DNA tested and everything :t:

John
 

Paul Chapman

Well-known member
Bonxie2003 - did you mean to put Scopoli's Shearwater? As far as I know there are very few confirmed records. I notice that Balearic Shearwater is missing, which would perhaps be an obvious species for your list, so maybe you confused the two.

There is only one record of Scopoli's Shearwater ever. I need it as do all other twitchers and I've done the odd twitch over the years.

All the best
 

dantheman

Bah humbug
This (the Brit scarcities concept) has come up before.

A starting point is the 250 or so regular UK species in eg the old Collins maps at back (a handful of which are hard), followed by the 70+ annual scarcities (probably a lot more now days).

It was said that anyone yearlisting really seriously in any one year would be unlikely to get all the scarcities, simply due to chance/poor years for certain species.
 

dantheman

Bah humbug
Here's another slant on it -

https://www.birdguides.com/news/biking-birder-breaks-european-green-year-list-record/

Gary Prescott, aka Biking Birder, going for 300+ in the UK by bicycle in a year for charity. Think the original concept was to visit every RSPB in the country. Obviously rarities could be seen, but only those in the locale already predetermined by the rough route. Northern Isles a bonus by boat.

Broke the European Green Record whilst at it (previously held by birder(s) doing wholly Spain).
 
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Andrew Whitehouse

Professor of Listening
Staff member
Supporter
Scotland
This (the Brit scarcities concept) has come up before.

A starting point is the 250 or so regular UK species in eg the old Collins maps at back (a handful of which are hard), followed by the 70+ annual scarcities (probably a lot more now days).

It was said that anyone yearlisting really seriously in any one year would be unlikely to get all the scarcities, simply due to chance/poor years for certain species.

We need an updated Shell Guide to resolve this matter once and for all.
 

dantheman

Bah humbug
We need an updated Shell Guide to resolve this matter once and for all.

;)

Heinzel, Fitter and Parslow didn't do the scarcities indeed, do recall some more updated lists in eg Birdwatch magazine? - would Shell have the green credentials to get involved again?! There was talk when the new Collins came out of a 'slimmed down' UK version being a good idea.
 
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Nutcracker

Stop Brexit!
I thought it was dependent on having a good passage year?

I once had one in my pocket, picked it up off the beach at Filey during that massive passage in the 90's. It was being attacked by a Crow, that's how I noticed it, took it to RSPB Bempton Cliffs.
It does depend on a good passage year to get high numbers (I had over a thousand in a couple of hours a few years ago), but there's at least a few in all years. Strong NNW winds with a long pull from the Arctic any time from October to January, you should get at least a few in a morning's seawatch.
 

bonxie2003

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Ok I have updated the list. There are 77 species listed as scarce by Birdguides. I'm afraid they are not in a great order

Alpine Swift
American Golden Plover
American Wigeon
Arctic Redpoll
Arctic Warbler
Barred Warbler
Black Kite
Black-crowned Night Heron
Black-winged Stilt
Bluethroat
Blyth's Reed Warbler
Buff-breasted Sandpiper
Cetti's Warbler
Citrine Wagtail
Common Crane
Common Rosefinch
Corncrake
Cory's Shearwater
Dusky Warbler
Eurasian Penduline Tit
Eurasian Stone-curlew
European Bee-eater
European Honey Buzzard
European Serin
Glossy Ibis
Golden Oriole
Great Bustard
Great Grey Shrike
Great Shearwater
Greater Short-toed Lark
Greenish Warbler
Green-winged Teal
Grey Phalarope
Hoopoe
Icterine Warbler
Kentish Plover
Lady Amherst's Pheasant
Leach's Storm Petrel
Lesser Scaup
Lesser Yellowlegs
Little Bunting
Long-tailed Skua
Marsh Warbler
Melodious Warbler
Montagu's Harrier
Olive-backed Pipit
Ortolan Bunting
Pallas's Warbler
Pectoral Sandpiper
Purple Heron
Radde's Warbler
Red-backed Shrike
Red-breasted Flycatcher
Red-flanked Bluetail
Red-footed Falcon
Red-necked Phalarope
Red-rumped Swallow
Richard's Pipit
Ring-billed Gull
Ring-necked Duck
Rosy Starling
Rough-legged Buzzard
Ruddy Shelduck
Sabine's Gull
Snow Goose
Spotted Crake
Surf Scoter
Temminck's Stint
Western Cattle Egret
White Stork
White-billed Diver
White-rumped Sandpiper
White-tailed Eagle
White-winged Tern
Wilson's Storm Petrel
Woodchat Shrike
Wryneck
 

bonxie2003

Going for the One
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United Kingdom
And of the 236 common, 102 are listed as local

Arctic Tern
Avocet
Balearic Shearwater
Bearded Tit
Black Grouse
Black Guillemot
Black Redstart
Black Tern
Black-necked Grebe
Black-throated Diver
Brent Goose
Caspian Gull
Chough
Cirl Bunting
Common Eider
Common Nightingale
Common Quail
Common Redpoll
Crested Tit
Curlew Sandpiper
Dartford Warbler
Eurasian Bittern
Eurasian Dotterel
Eurasian Spoonbill
Eurasian Woodcock
European Nightjar
European Shag
European Storm Petrel
European Turtle Dove
Firecrest
Garganey
Glaucous Gull
Golden Eagle
Golden Pheasant
Grasshopper Warbler
Great Egret
Great Northern Diver
Great Skua
Greater Scaup
Greater White-fronted Goose
Hawfinch
Hen Harrier
Hooded Crow
Iceland Gull
Jack Snipe
Kittiwake
Lapland Bunting
Lesser Spotted Woodpecker
Little Auk
Little Egret
Little Gull
Little Stint
Little Tern
Long-eared Owl
Long-tailed Duck
Mandarin Duck
Manx Shearwater
Mediterranean Gull
Merlin
Northern Fulmar
Northern Gannet
Northern Goshawk
Peregrine Falcon
Pied Flycatcher
Pomarine Skua
Ptarmigan
Puffin
Purple Sandpiper
Razorbill
Red Kite
Red-necked Grebe
Red-throated Diver
Ring Ouzel
Roseate Tern
Ruddy Duck
Sandwich Tern
Scottish Crossbill
Shore Lark
Short-eared Owl
Slavonian Grebe
Smew
Snow Bunting
Sooty Shearwater
Spotted Redshank
Taiga Bean Goose
Tundra Bean Goose
Twite
Velvet Scoter
Water Pipit
Waxwing
Western Capercaillie
Western Marsh Harrier
Western Osprey
Whimbrel
White Wagtail
Whooper Swan
Willow Tit
Wood Sandpiper
Wood Warbler
Woodlark
Yellow-browed Warbler
Yellow-legged Gull
 

Farnboro John

Well-known member
OK, these first. I'm just going to delete those I think are always a question of twitching: then I'll annotate the rest.

Ok I have updated the list. There are 77 species listed as scarce by Birdguides. I'm afraid they are not in a great order


American Golden Plover Shetland/Scilly

Arctic Redpoll Shetland/Scilly

Barred Warbler Shetland/Scilly


Black-winged Stilt Long-stayers including breeders
Bluethroat Shetland/Scilly
Blyth's Reed Warbler Shetland/Scilly
Buff-breasted Sandpiper Scilly
Cetti's Warbler almost anywhere in the South!
Citrine Wagtail Shetland/Scilly
Common Crane Lakenheath,Eledernell, Hickling etc
Common Rosefinch Shetland/Scilly
Corncrake Balranald/Iona
Cory's Shearwater Cornwall

Eurasian Stone-curlew Weeting Heath
European Bee-eater Long-staying breeders most years now
European Honey Buzzard New Forest/Wykeham Forest
Golden Oriole Scilly (Spring)
Great Grey Shrike Many traditional wintering sites
Great Shearwater Cornwall
Greater Short-toed Lark Shetland/Scilly
Grey Phalarope Cornwall/Scilly
Leach's Storm Petrel Wirral
Little Bunting Shetland/Scilly
Long-tailed Skua Norfolk autumn
Marsh Warbler Shetland/Scilly
Melodious Warbler Portland August
Olive-backed Pipit Shetland/Scilly
Pallas's Warbler Shetland/Scilly
Pectoral Sandpiper Shetland/Scilly
Red-backed Shrike Shetland/Scilly
Red-breasted Flycatcher Shetland/Scilly
Red-flanked Bluetail Shetland/Scilly
Red-necked Phalarope Hebrides/Shetland
Richard's Pipit Scilly
Ring-billed Gull Copperhouse Creek
Ring-necked Duck Long-staying winterers, often returning birds
Rosy Starling Shetland/Scilly
Rough-legged Buzzard
Ruddy Shelduck - almost certainly most (especially multiples) are Continental Cat C5 birds
Sabine's Gull Cornwall
Spotted Crake Scilly
Surf Scoter Firth of Forth
Temminck's Stint Many East Coast locations especially autumn
Western Cattle Egret Warblington/Abbotsbury
White-billed Diver Portsoy
White-tailed Eagle Mull etc
Wilson's Storm Petrel Pelagic
Wryneck Scilly

All eminently do-able with planning.

John
 

Farnboro John

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And now the supposedly local stuff!

And of the 236 common, 102 are listed as local

Arctic Tern Farnes (but almost anywhere on passage and all over Scotland in summer)
Avocet Minsmere! - but also, these days, almost any coastal wader habitat in Southern Britain.
Balearic Shearwater Cornwall
Bearded Tit Minsmere/Radipole/Farlington/Stodmarsh/Leighton Moss....
Black Grouse Langdon Beck
Black Guillemot Anywhere in coastal Western Scotland
Black Redstart Dungeness/Portland
Black Tern Crikey.Even Fleet Pond is pretty much annual. Almost anywhere.
Black-necked Grebe Staines Reservoir/Blashford Lakes
Black-throated Diver Northern Scotland
Brent Goose FFS
Caspian Gull Dungeness
Chough Lands End/Porthgwarra/Pembrokeshire/Anglesey
Cirl Bunting Labrador Bay/Prwale Point/Wembury
Common Eider Coastal everywhere!
Common Nightingale getting tougher but Minsmere/Pulborough Brooks
Common Quail Martin Down (hearing at least)
Common Redpoll check flocks of Redpolls
Crested Tit Loch Garten RSPB
Curlew Sandpiper Almost any coastal wader habitat August/September
Dartford Warbler Thursley/Frensham/New Forest
Eurasian Bittern Minsmere/Leighton Moss/Dungeness/Radipole etc
Eurasian Dotterel traditional passage sites e.g. Pendle Hill/Scilly
Eurasian Spoonbill Poole Harbour/Pennington
Eurasian Woodcock Shetland/Scilly/Anywhere with damp woodland when roding in spring
European Nightjar Thursley/Frensham/New Forest etc
European Shag Coast anywhere except South-east England
European Storm Petrel Cornwall/pelagic
European Turtle Dove Fowlmere RSPB
Firecrest Dungeness/Scilly/New Forest
Garganey Ouse Washes
Glaucous Gull Northern harbours/Dungeness
Golden Eagle North-west Scotland (deer forest better than grouse moor!)
Golden Pheasant ?
Grasshopper Warbler Widespread on spring passage. Tregaron Bog
Great Egret Somerset levels/Dungeness/Blashford Lakes
Great Northern Diver Selsey/Southampton Water/Gerrans Bay (common on many coasts)
Great Skua Shetland/Scilly/Dungeness/Selsey/Portland/Cornwall
Greater Scaup Loch Ryan/St Andrews present in small numbers on many coasts and inland waters
Greater White-fronted Goose Sheppey/Holkham/Scotney
Hawfinch Holyrood/Sizergh Castle/Blackwater Arboretum etc
Hen Harrier Sheppey/Arne/Wyke Down/Thornham
Hooded Crow NW of Inverness/Shetland
Iceland Gull Northern Harbours
Jack Snipe Shetland/Scilly/Spurn autumn
Kittiwake FFS
Lapland Bunting Shetland/Scilly/North Norfolk
Lesser Spotted Woodpecker East Blean Woods
Little Auk East Coast Nov/Jan suitable weather
Little Egret FFS
Little Gull Hornsea Mere/Dungeness etc
Little Stint any wader habitat in autumn
Little Tern Pennington/Cley
Long-eared Owl Shetland/Scilly/Dungeness
Long-tailed Duck Scottish coasts but also North Norfolk winter
Mandarin Duck Eyeworth Pond
Manx Shearwater Western coasts summer
Mediterranean Gull Portland/Pennington/Selsey/Dungeness
Merlin Shetland/Scilly/Orkney
Northern Fulmar Everywhere!
Northern Gannet Everywhere!
Northern Goshawk New Forest/Wykeham Forest
Peregrine Falcon Everywhere!
Pied Flycatcher South coast on passage Western woods (Forest of Dean,Wales) breeding
Pomarine Skua Shetland/Scilly/Cornwall/Selsey (Pom King competition!) Splash Point etc
Ptarmigan Glen Shee/Pass of the Cattle/Cairngorm
Puffin Farnes/Skolkholm/Portland etc
Purple Sandpiper Portland/Southsea/Aberdeen etc
Razorbill Any auk colony
Red Kite Ubiquitous in Southern England
Red-necked Grebe Firth of Forth
Red-throated Diver All coasts winter, Scotland/Orkney/Shetland summer
Ring Ouzel Pitstone Hill/Linkey Down/Dungeness/Portland/any upland habitat
Roseate Tern Farnes/other Northumberland sites
Ruddy Duck Tricky these days!
Sandwich Tern pretty much everywhere coastal
Scottish Crossbill Are you a believer?
Shore Lark Holkham
Short-eared Owl Sheppey
Slavonian Grebe Pennington
Smew Dungeness
Snow Bunting Shetland/Scilly/North Norfolk
Sooty Shearwater Cornwall
Spotted Redshank any wader habitat in spring or autumn
Taiga Bean Goose Slamannan (good luck) Cantley
Tundra Bean Goose Small groups in big flocks of Pinkfeet in Norfolk
Twite Shetland/North Norfolk
Velvet Scoter Firth of Forth/Offshore at Pett
Water Pipit Alresford/Lower Test Marshes/Staines Moor
Waxwing on berries
Western Capercaillie tough..... Speyside!
Western Marsh Harrier any wetland in Southern Britain
Western Osprey Loch of the Lowes is magnificent
Whimbrel Shetland/Scilly South coast on spring passage
White Wagtail = Pied - not a real problem!
Whooper Swan Welney/Caerlaverock/Shetland
Willow Tit tougher by the year, talk to locals
Wood Sandpiper any wader habitat in autumn
Wood Warbler Forest of Dean/Wales/Western Scotland
Woodlark lowland heaths
Yellow-browed Warbler Shetland/Scilly/almost anywhere in autumn
Yellow-legged Gull Blashford/Dungeness/landfill sites

With things like "White Wagtail" on here I'm really not sure what they mean by "local"!

John
 

Farnboro John

Well-known member
Great work.

Thank you! The thing is, all that was off the top of my head: its all public domain information that I know because I'm an active birder and have been for years, I've lots more of it stuck in my brain if I care to think about it, and it enables me to plan a year list somewhere around 300 with a bare minimum of reliance on rarity/scarcity information from information services.

This stuff is not difficult. If you want the birds, the information is out there in huge quantities.

I don't really understand the self-finding thing - you can argue that as soon as you check in a book on Golden Eagle distribution in Britain you aren't self-finding, but with the best up-to-date gen available about a specific site it can still be a bitch to actually see one. So if I were you I'd bin it. You'll see more birds and that must be more fun. :t:

Good birding!

John
 

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