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<blockquote data-quote="JANJ" data-source="post: 1223540" data-attributes="member: 20722"><p>Firstly - when are they taken? </p><p>All except for the one in image 3+4 are non adults (1cy?) and with no visible red feathers.</p><p>They all seem to not living up to the Parrot Crossbill bill dimensions, although some look big headed and the adult one in image 3+4 could very possible be one. Some of them have partly open bills which makes it more difficult to evaluate the bill character, like in a side view if the tip of the lower mandible is visible on the upper edge of the upper mandible. Young birds might not show fully developed bills - which could have some influence as to size. However they don´t show the so called classic lower mandible shape - prominent bulge inside gonys and strongly curved upper mandible at the outer part. That might perhaps be due to the younger age of the birds, except in the adult one which seems to have a more obvious PC bill dimension, but then again not really like the ones in the below links I have chosen, and note adults mostly.</p><p></p><p>Parrot.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18866" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18866</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18844" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18844</a></p><p></p><p>Some good opinions here (in english)</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=8438" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=8438</a></p><p></p><p>No need to explain which is which here:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=5371" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=5371</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=3018" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=3018</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18845" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18845</a></p><p></p><p>Finland Oct, Jorma Tenovuo.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Tenovuo/isokapylintu_06_Korppoo_10_07.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Tenovuo/isokapylintu_06_Korppoo_10_07.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>same as above:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Tenovuo/isokapylintu_03_Korppoo_10_07.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Tenovuo/isokapylintu_03_Korppoo_10_07.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>Common/red </p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18761" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18761</a></p><p></p><p>Big-billed:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=17080" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=17080</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=8571" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=8571</a></p><p></p><p>1cy with adult female:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=9726" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=9726</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=654" target="_blank">http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=654</a></p><p></p><p>October bird (Finland, Mika Bruun)</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Bruun/lox_cur_1126.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Bruun/lox_cur_1126.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>1cy female Oct. (Finland, Sampo Laukkanen)</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.tarsiger.com/images/SL/loxcur_1kn_111004_1.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.tarsiger.com/images/SL/loxcur_1kn_111004_1.jpg</a></p><p></p><p>JanJ</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JANJ, post: 1223540, member: 20722"] Firstly - when are they taken? All except for the one in image 3+4 are non adults (1cy?) and with no visible red feathers. They all seem to not living up to the Parrot Crossbill bill dimensions, although some look big headed and the adult one in image 3+4 could very possible be one. Some of them have partly open bills which makes it more difficult to evaluate the bill character, like in a side view if the tip of the lower mandible is visible on the upper edge of the upper mandible. Young birds might not show fully developed bills - which could have some influence as to size. However they don´t show the so called classic lower mandible shape - prominent bulge inside gonys and strongly curved upper mandible at the outer part. That might perhaps be due to the younger age of the birds, except in the adult one which seems to have a more obvious PC bill dimension, but then again not really like the ones in the below links I have chosen, and note adults mostly. Parrot. [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18866[/url] [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18844[/url] Some good opinions here (in english) [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=8438[/url] No need to explain which is which here: [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=5371[/url] [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=3018[/url] [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18845[/url] Finland Oct, Jorma Tenovuo. [url]http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Tenovuo/isokapylintu_06_Korppoo_10_07.jpg[/url] same as above: [url]http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Tenovuo/isokapylintu_03_Korppoo_10_07.jpg[/url] Common/red [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=18761[/url] Big-billed: [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=17080[/url] [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=8571[/url] 1cy with adult female: [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=9726[/url] [url]http://www.netfugl.dk/pictures.php?id=showpicture&picture_id=654[/url] October bird (Finland, Mika Bruun) [url]http://www.tarsiger.com/images/Bruun/lox_cur_1126.jpg[/url] 1cy female Oct. (Finland, Sampo Laukkanen) [url]http://www.tarsiger.com/images/SL/loxcur_1kn_111004_1.jpg[/url] JanJ [/QUOTE]
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