I love Allbinos. I agree with them 100% of the time. I guess we see eye to eye, and we both like flat field binoculars with a big FOV and sharp edges.
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Curio 7x21 v Leica trinovid 8x32 HD (1 Viewer)
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Paultricounty
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Its a good reference site but not accurate near 100% of the time. You might agree a 100% of the time with the review , but then that would make wrong a good percentage of the time 🤣.
So you agree that the Zeiss 8x32 SF is the best 8x32 ever made, and likewise the Zeiss 8x42 SF is the best ever 8x42??? Time to put those NL's on fleaBay then Dennis!!
That is just because Allbinos have not tested the NL 8x32 or NL 8x42 yet. When they do, they will be 1st place in both categories, just like NL 10x42 is 1st place in the 10x42 category. The EL 8x32 would be ranked 3rd place behind the Zeiss SF 8x32 if they had tested it. The 10x42 rankings show you how all the alpha binoculars are ranked. They have never tested a Noctivid 10x42, but it would be about 10th place, probably. Smaller FOV and not truly flat field.So you agree that the Zeiss 8x32 SF is the best 8x32 ever made, and likewise the Zeiss 8x42 SF is the best ever 8x42??? Time to put those NL's on fleaBay then Dennis!!
Binoculars rankings - 10x42 - AllBinos.com
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It may not be accurate 100% of the time for everybody, depending on your preferences in binocular. But if you like a flat field binocular with a huge FOV that is sharp to the edge, like me, it is 100% correct. If you like the Leica view with softer edges, a smaller FOV with nice saturated colors, no, Allbinos won't be 100% accurate. Allbinos doesn't care for the Leica view or as I like to call it The Wizard of Oz view.
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Just today. Tomorrow, he will say the exact opposite of course.
Paultricounty
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The rankings are ridiculous, no actual Objective conclusion of where they rate, come on Dennis. Based on some of the things you posted the only reason the EL would be ranked third after the SF is because he likes wide field of view, but then the edges aren’t as sharp as the EL. Too much contradiction here, especially how he rates the order.That is just because Allbinos have not tested the NL 8x32 or NL 8x42 yet. When they do, they will be 1st place in both categories, just like NL 10x42 is 1st place in the 10x42 category. The EL 8x32 would be ranked 3rd place behind the Zeiss SF 8x32 if they had tested it. The 10x42 rankings show you how all the alpha binoculars are ranked. They have never tested a Noctivid 10x42, but it would be about 10th place, probably. Smaller FOV and not truly flat field.
Binoculars rankings - 10x42 - AllBinos.com
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It is the only review site that is halfway objective. If they tested an NL 8x32 and EL 8x32, they would be ranked 1st and 3rd. The rankings would be the same as the 10x42's. Everybody else's reviews are just subjective opinions.
Why wouldn't you rate the ELs higher than the SFs? The ELs have sharper edges, more neutral colour, better eyecups...Surely it's subjective as to which are better?
The SF 8x32 has a bigger FOV and a bigger AFOV than the EL 8x32, which Allbinos calls Eyepieces FOV. On Allbinos a bigger FOV gives you almost another point which is enough to put the SF ahead of the EL and you can get up to 20 points for a bigger AFOV so that put's the SF even further ahead because it's AFOV is bigger. Even though the EL 8x32 would probably score a 10 on edge sharpness, it would lose a half a point because of it's smaller FOV and more because of it's smaller Eyepieces FOV. The key to being number one is to have the largest FOV and largest AFOV with sharp edges and of course no really glaring weak points.
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Paultricounty
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Who then is the arbiter of points. Why doesn’t the arbiter subtract for being to big for a 32, or the deadly blue ring, or as some say the green effect. Shouldn’t those affect the equation, isn’t one person making up a point system subjective at its core.
tenex
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Point scores with arbitrarily determined weights for each measurement are subjective. How many times must something so simple be said?
Does Dennis not understand this, or is he simply saying that Allbino's preferences agree with his own, which is nice for him but irrelevant to anyone else?
re: Allbinos I'm not too concerned about what bino is judged #1 or "the best" or whatever, I'm more into the numerical ratings of false color, edge blur, astigmatism. Transmission. All very useful.
The overall ranking doesn't suit me, because it doesn't include blackouts and eye placement, nor a realistic rating of focusers and grip/ergonomics. These are all more important to me than FOV, which is something I can see in the specs anyway, don't need a review site to help evaluate that. FWIW.
The overall ranking doesn't suit me, because it doesn't include blackouts and eye placement, nor a realistic rating of focusers and grip/ergonomics. These are all more important to me than FOV, which is something I can see in the specs anyway, don't need a review site to help evaluate that. FWIW.
They are not arbitrarily determined. Most of the the point scores are measured. I don't care if you agree with them or not, and I am sure they don't. My point is I mostly agree with their results and I think they are the best review site around. They are the only one that tries to be objective at all. I love Allbinos!
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That is because you don't agree with their results, and that is fine. Allbinos mainly tests the optics of the binoculars. A lot of the stuff you are talking about like blackouts, eye placement, focusers and ergonomics are very dependent on the user. Blackouts are dependent on how deep and wide your eye sockets are and grip/ergonomics are dependent on the size of your hands, and focusers can vary widely in what different people prefer. Some prefer a faster focuser and some prefer a slower focuser so for that kind of stuff you really have to try the binocular yourself. And we all know ergonomics are very user dependent. Some people like the wasp waist of the NL, and some don't.
Allbinos is giving you a starting point in your search for a binocular. They are saying here are what we think are the 10 best binoculars optically, but they aren't saying the number one choice is the best for everybody. What is valuable about Allbinos is as you say their numerical ratings. You can go down the list and select a binocular to try based on the things that are important to you.
For example, say you can't stand CA. You go down the list and find the binocular with the best CA control. Well let's see here it looks like the Zeiss FL controls CA the best, so I think I will try one or if you like a huge FOV with sharp edges you go down the list and find the binocular with the biggest FOV and the sharpest edges. Bingo, it is a Swarovski NL, so you try that one.
Those numerical ratings are very helpful and in general they are very accurate. Allbinos does prefer a flat field, huge FOV and sharp edges and those binoculars are going to be ranked at the top because they weigh heavily for those features, but that doesn't mean you have to buy an NL or SF. You might prefer the smaller FOV, softer edges and saturated colors of a UVHD. Allbinos doesn't tell you what to buy. They just tell you what they think. The final decision is yours.
truculenter aspicientis
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Admin can you delete my post as it's been taken over with non specific chat. Hijacked I think it's called.
Paultricounty
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Same here for sure. I still have an issue with the numerical readings of false color, edge blur and astigmatism, those can also be extremely subjective depending on the individual eyesight and sensitivity. Even his light transmission numbers seem to be a little blurry (pun intended) considering some have said the testing methods have changed over the years. If that’s the case then every pair of binoculars tested for transmissions in the past before method improvements and have a different number if retested with the current method.
I can’t agree more here.
Paultricounty
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Dennis, they are arbitrarily determined numbers ,because those numbers are his subjective opinion. And he may very well care what many people think of his reviews, because I’m sure he takes pride in them. Trying to be objective and being objective are two different things. Specs tell you the objective truths about an optic , putting numbers to subjective behaviors of an optic considering everybody’s eyes are slightly different , is not objective. I also enjoy the reviews , but I can say that many times I didn’t agree with his overall findings. At first I thought it was me, until I started asking others in my observing circles what they thought about a specific binocular.
Maybe You and him need to get a room 😜✌🏼.
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Binoculars tests, published on Optyczne.pl/Allbinos.com are conducted by a group of great optics enthusiasts with a lot of experience under their belts. We’ve handled about 500 pairs of binoculars so far plus several dozen of spotting scopes, telescopes, many eyepieces and plenty of other...Changes in our tests of binoculars - Changes in our testing procedure of binoculars
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dorubird
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Very good question!
How little accurate can be such a very approximate estimate, we can seen in many examples
on "Blurring at the edge of the FOV" from allbinos.
Paultricounty
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Or you could ask politely for fellow BF members to please stay on topic of the OP. My apologies for getting caught up in the hijacking. ✌🏼
Leica Trinovid 8x32HD every day of the week and on Tuesday. Two different animals for two different purposes. You need and should have both 🤓.
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