Death Of The Alpha? (1 Viewer)

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Every Tract/Kamakura is actually a bit different, it's called sample variation...
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Have you tried a Tract or Maven? You would be shocked at how good the quality is .

 

[mfunnell]

Hmmm. I've been distracted, and haven't checked in for a while. This is still running :h?::eek!::-C

I'd like to say I'm confused, shocked and depressed by this - yet, somehow, I'm not :stuck:

...Mike

 

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Hmmm. I've been distracted, and haven't checked in for a while. This is still running :h?::eek!::-C

I'd like to say I'm confused, shocked and depressed by this - yet, somehow, I'm not :stuck:

...Mike

Thanks. Have you seen Chosun anywhere down under?

 

[mfunnell]

Thanks. Have you seen Chosun anywhere down under?

Afraid not. I have the impression of somewhere north of me, though I'm not sure why. I doubt even my 10x56 FLs could see that far - and I sure haven't been getting out much further than my balcony, lately, mostly because of work.

...Mike

 

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Afraid not. I have the impression of somewhere north of me, though I'm not sure why. I doubt even my 10x56 FLs could see that far - and I sure haven't been getting out much further than my balcony, lately, mostly because of work.

...Mike

Sorry for that. I gave that nasty habit up long ago. Work, who needs it.8-P

 

[mfunnell]

Work, who needs it.8-P

I sure don't. However: "pay" - I need that.

...Mike

 

[Canip]

Have you tried the Tract's or the Maven's?

Maven - no.
Tract - yes, Toric 10x42, once. I found them really good for the price. But they will not kill the Alphas.

 

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Maven - no.
Tract - yes, Toric 10x42, once. I found them really good for the price. But they will not kill the Alphas.

"But they will not kill the Alphas"

Would they injure them?:-O

 

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I sure don't. However: "pay" - I need that.

...Mike

The trick is how to get "Pay"without that nasty work.

 

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Oh I think most WOULD agree with Lexus build quality. Probably no better. Saying that....I've ALWAYS wanted to buy a Lexus, but when it comes to driving I've always preferred BMW's way of doing things.

How did the Nikon MHG's work out for you? You like them better than the Maven's?

 

[Troubador]

Yes, but that is because the Japanese don't try to cover up problems like VW. If they know they have a problem they recall them. Who knows what problems some of the other manufacturers have covered up.

That might be generally true of Japanese companies (not just auto companies) but it isn't 100%: look up the Olympus financial scandal.

And anyway you are trying to change the premise of this argument which was your notion that the Japanese have a perfect quality record and others don't.

As usual there is a solid grain of truth in what you say but you will take it to extremes that cannot be supported.

Lee

 

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On the other hand, an M series BMW is waaaaaaay more fun to drive...And so is the halfway house MPA series...

PS that animal in Troubador's avatar is an otter.

Awww, an Otter I should have guessed. I agree about a BMW being more fun to drive. The big Mercedes are kind of an "Old Man's" car don't you think?

 

[Canip]

"But they will not kill the Alphas"

Would they injure them?:-O

My guess: the Tract - unless severely intoxicated - would not pick a fight with a real alpha

 

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That might be generally true of Japanese companies (not just auto companies) but it isn't 100%: look up the Olympus financial scandal.

And anyway you are trying to change the premise of this argument which was your notion that the Japanese have a perfect quality record and others don't.

As usual there is a solid grain of truth in what you say but you will take it to extremes that cannot be supported.

Lee

VW tried to cover up that fuel mileage fiasco. Not good. I don't think the Japanese are perfect. I just think their QA in general is better than most of the other countries. Especially China. I really feel the Tract Toric and the Maven are built to higher standards than Zeiss or Leica. Look at all the problems Zeiss had with the SF rollout. Their QA let many, many bad binoculars out the door before they rectified the problems.

 

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My guess: the Tract - unless severely intoxicated - would not pick a fight with a real alpha

I don't know I could see the Tract Toric kicking the butt of those wimpy Zeiss or Leica's. Those German's never could put up a good fight. We kicked their butt in WWII.:t:

 

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Dennis, when I get on a commercial plane and see that first class seats have been converted to economy class I might start to agree with you. Maybe you should consider your models the equivalent of exit row seats. Better than economy but not quite the same as first class. Trust me, they aren't the same.

I don't know. I have had a lot of alpha's and I am happier overall with my Tract's and my Maven. Just the fact that I have no RB and I have a silky smooth focus with the Tract's and Maven's is enough to convince me I don't need an alpha anymore. I really like how the Tract's and Maven's pan. It just feels more natural to me and really you do a lot of panning when you are birding. The focus is REALLY important to me. Swarovski's focus were ok but honestly they were never as smooth.

 

[Canip]

......
..... I really feel the Tract Toric and the Maven are built to higher standards than Zeiss or Leica.

Yes, that's it.

Zeiss and Leica are a total disaster - so sad!

Thank you, Dennis - finally somebody expressed what all of us were thinking all the time.

 

[Gilmore Girl]

I don't know I could see the Tract Toric kicking the butt of those wimpy Zeiss or Leica's. Those German's never could put up a good fight. We kicked their butt in WWII.:t:

D,

The Japanese were allied with the Germans in WWII.

B

 

[Troubador]

We kicked their butt in WWII.:t:

Yes, when you eventually showed up.

Yes in conjunction with umpteen other nations including Russia that suffered 20M dead.

And for all our more balanced US friends: apologies for my response to Dennis's flippant posting. WWII wouldn't have had the result it did without the intervention of the USA, Dennis just seems to forget there were others involved.

Lee

 

[Graham Osborne]

They both live in the same alternate reality.

Alternative Tracts?