'Body' is about right there, it's adjudicated by a corpse :-OThat's the issue for me, who is the adjudicating body on these joined-up lists?
AFAIK, the official Irish list follows IOC, same as BOU, except that when they updated, they forgot to demote Thayer's to a subspecies; it's just an accidental oversight that it's still on. Hence Paul's "Well we all know it needs to be updated.........."No one until both Britain and Ireland follow the same listing basis. Don't know the Irish position re "Isabelline" Shrikes or Easter Yellow Wagtail.
So on my non-existant B+I list can I tick the Thayer's Gull I saw in Lincs Nick?
A slightly off-topic question regard the Isle of Man...
The BOU British List covers "England, Scotland and Wales and associated waters", it explicitly does not cover the Isle of Man. But the Isle of Man is sitting in "associated waters", how far offshore does a Manx bird have to go to count towards a British list?
I have no connections to Ireland, but I do to Denmark . . . can bubo create a list for Britain and Denmark?
Thanks! Only 2 on that list I've seen there, but also one or two others that are on UK list but which I've only seen in Dk (e.g. Tengmalm's Owl)Nutcracker
Download the BOU list and add:-
Lesser Spotted Eagle
Eurasian Eagle Owl
Eurasian Pygmy Owl
Eurasian Three-toed Woodpecker
Middle Spotted Woodpecker
Gray's Grasshopper Warbler
The Spotless Starling surprised me.
All the best
Perhaps a look at the Ordnance Survey web-site would clarify the difference between Great Britain, the UK & the British(& Irish) Isles?
Some confusion no doubt caused by 'Great Britain' being used to refer to both the largest island in the British Isles and the political entity comprising England, Scotland & Wales.
As to what list(s) anyone keeps, that'entirely up to the individual. However, if comparisons are to be made, the definitions of the list area should be the same... as interestingly put by Andy A couple earlier in the thread 😉
Personally, if it is of the remotest interest to anyone, I keep a British list, perhaps 'cos I've never been birding in Ireland 🤔
The biggest confusion seems to lie in the concept of Britain - is it just the single landmass containing England, Scotland, and Wales, or is those 3 plus outlying smaller islands?
It seems to be the latter.
No such thing as 'Britain', although our nationality is British, which confusingly refers to people from the UK 🤔.
As a geographical unit, the British Isles does not include the Channel Islands; geographically, they are part of France.....
The British Isles
The British Isles is the name of a group of islands situated off the north western corner of mainland Europe. It is made up of Great Britain, Ireland, The Isle of Man, The Isles of Scilly, The Channel Islands (including Guernsey, Jersey, Sark and Alderney), as well as over 6,000 other smaller islands.
... and the Channel Islands and IOM...
The reality is that there are various political and geographical definitions of Britain and the British Isles, and different people chose the one they like and argue it is the correct definition.
From a political point of view, it would make sense to have a UK list, which would exclude the CI and IOM, but include NI. From a geographical point of view, it makes little sense to exclude IOM but inude NI.
I keep a Jersey list and include offshore islands such as Great Britain and Eurasia
Missed this before:
As a geographical unit, the British Isles does not include the Channel Islands; geographically, they are part of France.