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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Farnboro John" data-source="post: 1435913" data-attributes="member: 36432">This is cobblers of the worst sort.  British conservationists are not annihilating Ruddy Ducks, there is a huge population in North America.  They are removing a blot on the European wildlife scene.  With your point about miniscule timescales you can obviously see that the same argument must apply to area.  Incidentally if anyone else has any doubts about the rightness of removing a human-introduced species that will shag another into extinction: Atitlan Grebe and ongoing lovebird problems folks.Where you go totally off beam is: (a) in suggesting that conservationists don't affect anything either on a large scale or in the long run - since your timescale evidence is the same as ours you are not able to make this argument and I would call the saving of e.g. American Bison and assorted large cetaceans from extinction (so far admittedly) large scale; and (b) that anything humans do is OK because its just natural because we are.  Even if that is technically true, it is so far away from accepting that there are wrongs and rights in human (societal) behaviours that your argument would approve Stalin's purges and pogroms, Nazism and all that carried with it, Pol Pot.......  It is not right that we should treat the planet as our plaything and casually wipe anything in the way of Disneyland, ski slopes, beach resorts, open-cast uranium mines etc out.  It is not neutral either.  In our own societal values it is wrong.John</blockquote>

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