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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gomphus" data-source="post: 1655955" data-attributes="member: 44185">Hi all,Thank you for all the nice comments! I must say I must visit here more , the work on this area of the forum is amazing....pity we are down in the "basement"!Anyhow I have not been doing much actual sketching recently (I'm working on a couple of finised commissions (I'll post when I get a chance) but I have been attempting to try to capture the look of the Ring billed Gull that has returned to my local patch in Derbyshire. Its a real sod, often appearing right at dusk on the water in the gull roost amongst 4000 Lesser Black backs..... but just recently its taken to pre-roosting on an island off one of the hides so has been easier to see. On the water it has a very odd jizz being at the larger end of the size range for RBG and with a very distinctive but odd head shape. A really difficult thing to convey in drawings I've found:eek!:Still heres a couple of pages of my notes and sketches.....ATBSteph'</blockquote>