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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kevin Purcell" data-source="post: 1520942" data-attributes="member: 68323">That said I would suspect that the way less expensive bins have improved that multiplier is coming down to two or less.e.g. how much does a porro that's competitive with the ZR ED roof sell for?The closest I have is the EO Raptor that sold for $250ish new (I think). But of course this is a trick question as no one really sells porros that good right now except perhaps the more expensive Swift 8.5x44 ED (modulo its issues of ER and eyecup size).I guess in a lot of ways that's a shame. I could see a $199 hypothetical ED porro beating it: think Legend/Cascade/Nikon EX with ED objectives and a better EP (less field curvature).The other route would be to "uprate" a Raven/Yosemite with some changes to improve stray light issues and perhaps a wider EP design.Of course no one is going to do this ... so perhaps the real competitor are second-hand Nikon SEs 8x32?</blockquote>