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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mayoayo" data-source="post: 1521319" data-attributes="member: 16781">Kevin..Is the EO raptor a renamed Vixen Foresta 8x42?...I f it is ,I dont think It compares with the Zen ED,Or the Swift 820#...The swift 820# (non ED),compares VERY well with the ZEN or the SE series,..The Vixen Foresta( I dont Know the Raptors),is a step or two behind,..Is not as sharp,and has more  distortion .The 820# non ED can be found for around 250$ New,and It seems to offer a better deal,price /performance,than the ED version...(I have only compared the 804 HR5 ED with the 820# Non ED,but saw not much performance difference,I imagine even less difference between the 820 Ed and non-ED)But It is already a 10 year old model!..Swift  should revive it a little bit,with some little design changes,and make it universally ED,instead of having two versions,now that ED glass seems to be more inexpensive,,Change that flexible bridge, Add better baffling( I suspect that the oversized prisms,have something to do with some veiling glare issues,similar to the issues you mentionede with the Yosemite)and you will have that Hypothetical perfect Porro,because the 820 is pretty darn close....</blockquote>