Eagle Owls in Yorkshire?? (1 Viewer)

[Amarillo]

Where is the source for this info?

http://www.suomenluontolehti.fi/artikkeli.php3?a=15

Lots of info on the internet

This article gives some idea of numbers:

12,000 total in Finland of which 11,000 are north american species.

Apparently they look the same, but don't interbreed. The problem is that the north american species is much more destructive, felling trees and damming rivers

 

[Andy Bright]

Is this now the Beaver thread? We understand why this thread has gone away from the main subject but could we try to wind down the Beaver aspect. We may need to split the thread and place the Beaver posts in a seperate thread in another forum.
Thanks,
Admin

 

[ed keeble]

Is this now the Beaver thread? We understand why this thread has gone away from the main subject but could we try to wind down the Beaver aspect. We may need to split the thread and place the Beaver posts in a seperate thread in another forum.
Thanks,
Admin

Fine by me- I think I am responsible for the damming and diversion of this thread into European beaver introduction/reintroduction..

Hopefully I haven't been talkign castor and pollux

 

[ta brandreth]

How long were you beavering away at that, White Back??

If it carries on someone may 'lodge' a complaint!!

 

[phart]

To get back to the original theme, apparently there was an eagle owl sighting in East Sussex yesterday. Does anyone know anything about that one?

 

[deborah4]

To get back to the original theme, apparently there was an eagle owl sighting in East Sussex yesterday. Does anyone know anything about that one?

I was talking to a site manager yesterday in Chichester about the local peregrines and the conversation got onto to hunting foxes (which he supported!) I mentioned that eagle owls were being used instead of terriers to rout out foxes when theyve gone to ground. He felt this was 'cruel' (apparently didn't think fox-hunting was!) anyway he hadn't heard of it but did say he knew an (type? - he mentioned it but I can't remember) Eagle Owl, probably a N.Euro visitor) was spotted for a while in a village near Chichester last year and then disappeared.

In light of above, an Eagle Owl sighting is not so extraordinary, especially if Hunting Lodges are getting them to use for the now 'banned' practice of hunting with dogs.

PM me if you have another sighting, I'll come up from Hove - I've never seen an Eagle Owl in real life.

Deborah

 

[jpoyner]

I was talking to a site manager yesterday in Chichester about the local peregrines and the conversation got onto to hunting foxes (which he supported!) I mentioned that eagle owls were being used instead of terriers to rout out foxes when theyve gone to ground. He felt this was 'cruel' (apparently didn't think fox-hunting was!) anyway he hadn't heard of it but did say he knew an (type? - he mentioned it but I can't remember) Eagle Owl, probably a N.Euro visitor) was spotted for a while in a village near Chichester last year and then disappeared.

In light of above, an Eagle Owl sighting is not so extraordinary, especially if Hunting Lodges are getting them to use for the now 'banned' practice of hunting with dogs.

PM me if you have another sighting, I'll come up from Hove - I've never seen an Eagle Owl in real life.

Deborah

Hunting Foxes with Eagle Owls is pretty much frowned up on by breeders/keepers I think. Owls are poor captive hunters anyway so I think this practice unlikely to take off!

JP

 

[jpoyner]

Sorry if this has already been in this thread but haven't been all the way through it.
In an article on the World Owl Trust website they claim to have been sent records of birds on rigs.

The distance of 600 km between Norway (an Eagle Owl stronghold) and Invernesshire, where a pair has been breeding for years, might at first glance seem a bit too far - until one remembers the records sent to us by North Sea oil rig workers, of Eagle Owls resting on the rigs before heading off towards the UK. Makes you think.

Full article here.

http://www.owls.org/News/eagle_owl.htm

Was this ever confirmed or were they just LEO's.

John

 

[Mike Pennington]

Was this ever confirmed or were they just LEO's.

John

Never confirmed. I'd put my mortgage on them being LeOs. Like most of the 18th and 19th century records.

 

[deborah4]

Hunting Foxes with Eagle Owls is pretty much frowned up on by breeders/keepers I think. Owls are poor captive hunters anyway so I think this practice unlikely to take off!

JP

I sincerely hope not JP! but do see earlier post on this thread by Barn Owl Centre - this is a practice apparently being carried out by Yorkshire Hunts - if there, then where else?

 

[deborah4]

[(an Eagle Owl stronghold) and Invernesshire, where a pair has been breeding for years, ...

John[/QUOTE]

John,

Has the pair in Invernesshire that you refer to been bred in captivity? Is there any link do you think with this pair and the EO's in Inverness City seen recently? (as discussed on another thread)

 

[Stewart J.]

I sincerely hope not JP! but do see earlier post on this thread by Barn Owl Centre - this is a practice apparently being carried out by Yorkshire Hunts - if there, then where else?

Heres a link to an interesting article on the subject (I posted it in another posting a couple of weeks ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4255614.stm

Stewart

 

[deborah4]

Heres a link to an interesting article on the subject (I posted it in another posting a couple of weeks ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4255614.stm

Stewart

Not only EO's but Golden Eagles too! - who is sanctioning this, I can't believe hunts in this country are buying GE's to hunt with :C

 

[saluki]

Not only EO's but Golden Eagles too! - who is sanctioning this, I can't believe hunts in this country are buying GE's to hunt with :C

Most of the owls/eagles will never be flown, it simply allows the hunts to use more than two dogs to flush a fox ie. enables them to hunt foxes.

Speaking to most of the guys I know how hunt foxes with dogs, little has changed since the er, 'ban'. Far more foxes were killed at night with lurchers than were ever killed by mounted packs - that's not changed; terrier work is still legal if carried out by a 'keeper or pest control officer (amazing how many of them have sprung up recently!) and hunts are openly flouting the law.

Take a look here:

http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/397/71296.html

and here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/4542246.stm

I'd like to know more about the 'rabbit' hunting incident, as it isn't illegal to hunt rabbits with dogs! The whole situation is a complete mess in my opinion.

saluki

 

[Andy Bright]

Can we keep on topic please.
Admin

 

[deborah4]

Andy

I take your point. This thread started with an inquiry about whether there were EO's in Yorkshire, sidetraking as you know for some time onto beavers, then my earlier post returned it to EO's. I agree that this should not sidetraking now into the rights and wrongs of hunting with EO's but surely, if this is happening then it will be directly related to the query posed at the outset - that if these birds are being increasingly obtained/breeded (for whatever reason) doesn't that increase the likelyhood of escapees and releasees? I only posed the original point as an explaination for possible sightings in Yorkshire and not as a change of subject. I totally accept though my last post was way out of thread line, and apologise to any members, especially any in Yorkshire, who hunt with EO's (or GE's), if it was offensive. Momentary lapse of anger. Sorry!

 

[Andy Bright]

My post wasn't directed at an individual. We do not want this thread to drift into hunting, as that is off-topic at BF.
Cheers
Andy

 

[jpoyner]

My post wasn't directed at an individual. We do not want this thread to drift into hunting, as that is off-topic at BF.
Cheers
Andy

I also agree that the thread should not become an off-topic hunting rant, however I think that its mention and discussion as part of the Eagle Owl debate is a very interesting and useful input to the thread topic which should not be censored and discouraged. Especially as it possibly is a cause for an increase in number of birds being "flown" and lost by inexperienced handlers.

JP

 

[Reader]

I also agree that the thread should not become an off-topic hunting rant, however I think that its mention and discussion as part of the Eagle Owl debate is a very interesting and useful input to the thread topic which should not be censored and discouraged. Especially as it possibly is a cause for an increase in number of birds being "flown" and lost by inexperienced handlers.

JP

I must admit that I have to agree with what you say. These "extra" birds could become a major problem in the future and could tip the balance on the monitoring excercise that is going on. If too many birds escape it may become very hard to control them if that becomes necessary.

Hunting, as a whole, is not part of this forum but when part of it encroaches on what we are discussing surely it becomes "on topic".

 

[wolfbirder]

As post 677 points out, this thread started ages ago as to whether there were any eagle owls in yorkshire.
I wonder if this thread is the record for being the most answered where the actual answer has not been provided?

P.S. Just a light hearted point - I frustratingly do understand why - although it would make a marvellous Xmas present to be taken to watch them. I'd even pay! :egghead: