Ecuador - Tanager and Flycatcher (2 Viewers)

[Liebzi]

Just a few not amazing photos making id a bit tricky in the area of Puyo.

Picture 1 - Is the tiny whitish spot we can see on the right wing enough to call this one a White-shouldered Tanager for certain. Bill looks more like white-lined I assume, but it really gives me white-shouldered vibes.

Picutre 2 - Flycatcher sp. First identified as Streak-necked Flycatcher because of plain yellow underparts, greyish hood and white postocular spot. Looking at it now tail colour being rufous, yellow tertials edge, flightfeathers and wingbars looks very wrong for Streak-necked. What other flycatchers can show this white postocular spot?

Picutre 3 - Seems like all black. Good for White-lined Tanager no?

Picture 4 - I just uploaded a Manakin to this post as well. A banding team showed me this one calling it a Green Manakin, I have just looked through several harddrives etc. for more photos. I really feel this should be a female blue-capped manakin. Brest seems to grass green to fit the Olive breast of a Green Manakin. But I would have loved to see the tail.... Any thoughts

 

[THE_FERN]

White-lined tanager (bill etc wrong for white-shouldered)
Come back to it
Possibly white-lined: not sure what else is present or what the true colours in the image are
More green manakin than blue-crowned (e.g. bill, feet colours)

 

[Liebzi]

Feet colour is the same blue-capped and green. Look at the breast colour here:

ML478730441 - Blue-capped Manakin - Macaulay Library

Macaulay Library ML478730441; © Edwin Antony Calderon Noa; Puno, Peru

macaulaylibrary.org

and here

ML371233121 - Green Manakin - Macaulay Library

Macaulay Library ML371233121; © Timo Mitzen; Orellana, Ecuador

macaulaylibrary.org

I feel the Blue-capped is a way better match than the olive underparts / breast feeling Green Manakin should give.

 

[njlarsen]

I agree with the first being white-lined. I don't think the white spot is on this bird, and if it is, its in the wrong position for white-shouldered.
Niels

 

[THE_FERN]

Feet colour is the same blue-capped and green. Look at the breast colour here:

ML478730441 - Blue-capped Manakin - Macaulay Library

Macaulay Library ML478730441; © Edwin Antony Calderon Noa; Puno, Peru

macaulaylibrary.org

and here

ML371233121 - Green Manakin - Macaulay Library

Macaulay Library ML371233121; © Timo Mitzen; Orellana, Ecuador

macaulaylibrary.org

I feel the Blue-capped is a way better match than the olive underparts / breast feeling Green Manakin should give.

Feet are slightly darker in blue-capped. In the OP image there is a distinct whitish throat. This is visible in some image of green but not blue-capped (throat may be whitish but in a small not large, well-defined area). Chest area of original image is yellowish green rather than bright grass green as in most blue-capped (although this is very lighting dependent). Eye colour is slightly different but difficult to see. I see the OP image as being near-identical to this:

ML276851871 - Green Manakin - Macaulay Library

Macaulay Library ML276851871; © Chris Fischer; Orellana, Ecuador

macaulaylibrary.org

 

[THE_FERN]

Just an addendum to my last post. I checked the illustrations of green and blue-capped manakin in Birds of Peru and was pleased to see that pretty much all the points I noted (like throat etc) are illustrated there

 

[Liebzi]

Maybe I should invest in that Peru book, seems illustrations are pretty great. This manakin really gave me a blue-capped feeling. Anyway, you have convinced me of that this is actually a Green Manakin!

 

[THE_FERN]

Maybe I should invest in that Peru book, seems illustrations are pretty great. This manakin really gave me a blue-capped feeling. Anyway, you have convinced me of that this is actually a Green Manakin!

In general I agree. However, some less so. For example, hummingbirds and warblers. Nsam (birds of northern South America) and guides derived from it are better for those

 

[njlarsen]

Particularly for northern Ecuador, you could consider the Lynx guide for Colombia, which has a large overlap in subspecies with the area you visited.
Niels

 

[Liebzi]

White-lined tanager (bill etc wrong for white-shouldered)
Come back to it
Possibly white-lined: not sure what else is present or what the true colours in the image are
More green manakin than blue-crowned (e.g. bill, feet colours)

I just came across this flycatcher image again, and saw you wrote "come back to it' to the Flycatcher. Have you had a chance to look at that one yet? Or should I just be safe and change it to Flycatcher sp?