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Eurasian/short-toed treecreepers -- Cottbus, Germany (1 Viewer)


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Hi, is it possible to id these treecreepers from some distant photos? Both species are generally present in the area. There were no audible calls.

Bird 1:


Bird 2 (may be the same bird -- I saw them a few minutes apart):


Bird 2 (may be the same bird -- I saw them a few minutes apart):

Short-Toed? Supercilium looks too big (from Wikipedia images) for Eurasian.
Is that a known ID criterion?
Agree with you, Butty. And more: while variable, its often/regularthe other way round:
Eurasian has a long supercilium that often reaches far down the neck= flaring into the nape and is equally distinct in fron of the eye, while in Short-toed is often/regular indistincter in fron of the eye=doesnt seem to reach the bill.

For the ID: your pictures show well, how hard it is to be certain with the fine features with unsharp pictures (no offense as always). For the first bird: it seems that even the rear-flanks are pure white, lacking even the finest brownish hue. If this indeed the case, then I think its a quite sure Eurasian TC, while I cant ID the second bird and even could decide, which species would be a better fit (even in quiz modus, I would let a coin decide). No offense, again.
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