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Expriencing the Papilio II 6.5x21 (1 Viewer)

kkokkolis

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I've seen the Leica Ultravid 8x20 and Steiner Ultrasharp 8x22 of a friend (he has the Papilio also, he might post himself).
The Pentax stands in the middle. Leica is impressive with great coatings (I have Papilio I) and folded it is a small jewel. But I prefer to use the Papilio with it's unique makro mode and affordable price, since I always carry a bag.
 

Mono

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Having both the Zeiss Conquest 8x20 and some 6.5 Papillo II {until I lost the Zeiss :(}I would have to say the Zeiss wins on everything except the close focusing. The Zeiss is lighter, much more compact and has much greater clarity of image. The Papillo is very good for £100 but it is still a third the price of the Zeiss. The Zeiss is small enough to carry in your hand or dangling on a wrist strap and not notice whereas the Papillo just isn't.

I'm not knocking the Papillo, it is great for the money and the close up views are amazing but it is "horses for courses" and as an everyday carry stick it in your pocket binocular it would be the Zeiss every time. (My wife informs me that mine are still "missing" and more searching is required before I can buy some new ones)
 

kkokkolis

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So, the Papilio is big enough not to be misplaced and cheap enough not to cause mourning if stolen. What's the problem with that? ;)
 

CliveP

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I'm shocked by these posts. I cannot imagine anything as small objective wise as amazing as the Papilio 6.5 I got and even if it is a particularly good one it can't be that much different from the rest but I'm happy to be well satisfied if that is somehow the case.

Guess we all got our problems.

Edit: sorry about this one as I had a few to many Guinesss yesterday while away for the day and could hardly see the screen last night. Don't even know how I got home? but my Papilio do have incredible quality of view.
 
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jring

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Having both the Zeiss Conquest 8x20 and some 6.5 Papillo II {until I lost the Zeiss :(}I would have to say the Zeiss wins on everything except the close focusing. The Zeiss is lighter, much more compact and has much greater clarity of image. The Papillo is very good for £100 but it is still a third the price of the Zeiss. The Zeiss is small enough to carry in your hand or dangling on a wrist strap and not notice whereas the Papillo just isn't.

You forgot field of view and exit pupil. The papillo in 6.5x is better at both and not by a small margin. The larger exit pupil makes placement less finicky and will make the papillo work longer in fading light, despite the fact that the Zeiss is brighter in plain daylight.
Plus it has twist up eye cups for those with spectacles and a decent strap...

The Conquest Compact is just a pocket bin - I have mine always in the backpack for unexepected opportunities. I would not consider it as my only bins.
The Papillo II in 6.5x is quite different - not pocketable but still quite small and light and it can easily double as your only bin with slightly lower expectations. With the close focus range as a bonus.

I'm shocked by these posts. I cannot imagine anything as small objective wise as amazing as the Papilio 6.5 I got and even if it is a particularly good one it can't be that much different from the rest but I'm happy to be well satisfied if that is somehow the case.

Guess we all got our problems.

Edit: sorry about this one as I had a few to many Guinesss yesterday while away for the day and could hardly see the screen last night. Don't even know how I got home? but my Papilio do have incredible quality of view.

The example in 6.5x which I gave to my goddaughter is very nice too - I gave it a good test drive ;-) And so was the demo unit in the store.

And you say it also gives a clearer view when pissed? I guess I have to get another one then ;-)

Joachim
 

jring

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Did you notice loss of sharpness contrast etc beyond, say, 250 metres- please see the original post?

Oetzis test in the german forum was a castle at 4km - sure something good with larger objectives like a 7 or 10x50 will show better resolution at that range. But at a price - monetary and in what you carry...

Joachim
 

Edugar

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Hello,
I am new to the forum, a cordial greeting.
Yesterday I received my Pentax Papilio II 6.5x21mm, and I have a doubt.
The image is quite good, but up close, observe what you see in the attached image. Do you suffer from the same effect ?. This happens focusing between 1m and 10m approx.
Can you get one circle? I'm afraid who are misaligned.

Regards

Edu
 

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mfunnell

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Hello,
I am new to the forum, a cordial greeting.
Yesterday I received my Pentax Papilio II 6.5x21mm, and I have a doubt.
The image is quite good, but up close, observe what you see in the attached image. Do you suffer from the same effect ?. This happens focusing between 1m and 10m approx.
Can you get one circle? I'm afraid who are misaligned.

Regards

Edu
That's entirely normal and due to parallax between the two different barrels. It can be altered, to an extent, by changing IPD (ie. the distance between eyepieces) but can't really be eliminated at close focusing distances. The central area of overlap provides the detailed views while the areas with no overlap between views are pretty much useful for peripheral vision only.

...Mike
 

jring

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That's entirely normal and due to parallax between the two different barrels. It can be altered, to an extent, by changing IPD (ie. the distance between eyepieces) but can't really be eliminated at close focusing distances. The central area of overlap provides the detailed views while the areas with no overlap between views are pretty much useful for peripheral vision only.

...Mike

It's right that this is normal but it cannot be fixed by changing the IPD with the Papillo due to the fact that this only changes the distance between the eyepieces while leaving the objective distance alone.

In the papillo the distance of the objectives is changed automatically by focussing in order to be able to focus down to half a meter...

Joachim
 

mfunnell

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it cannot be fixed by changing the IPD with the Papillo due to the fact that this only changes the distance between the eyepieces while leaving the objective distance alone.
Quite right, and I should have been clearer - adjusting the IPD can expand or contract the non-overlapping areas of the view "to an extent" by reducing or increasing the visible field of view but can't adjust the central overlapping area.

...Mike
 

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