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Falcon... Hobby? Eleonora? Other? Turkey, September (1 Viewer)

xaviertaylor

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Dear all - your thoughts please on these terrible photos... taken in Turkey in September! Initially I had this down as a Hobby but looking back at these photos I feel like I've got the ID wrong - Would appreciate some guidance!
Thank you
 

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JWN Andrewes

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Couldn't be an Eastern Red-foot could it? Beyond my experience to be honest, but it sort of fits the search engine I have in my head for the species in the event I'm ever insanely lucky enough to come across one.
 

MacNara

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Japan
I blew up the photos just for my own education, and I post them here just in case it helps others.

To me, from the books, it looks good for Red-footed juvenile, much better than the other suggestions. But I've never seen Eleonara and only adult Red-footed and Hobby, so this opinion is basically book-based, and not any strong claim to the ID.

BF Falcon 01.jpg BF Falcon 02.jpg
 

njlarsen

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Barbados
Would juvenile plumage of a bird breeding this far north be expected at this time of the year?
Niels
 

MacNara

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Japan
Would juvenile plumage of a bird breeding this far north be expected at this time of the year?
Niels
Hi Niels:

I thought (from looking at Birds of the World online) that this plumage would be correct for a 1cy bird, and the location - in September - just right for an early stage of the migration to southern Africa?

I would assume it's just (western) Red-footed, and not Amur (eastern Red-footed) Falcon - doesn't the pale brownish cap rather than a darker cap suggest a juvenile of the former, not the latter.
 

njlarsen

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Sorry, pulled the trigger too early on my reply. I thought the image was recent.
Niels
 

tconzemi

Tom
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Head markings and shape in flight would make me think Red-footed falcon. I think you can rule out Hobby. Markings not right for Eleanora's IMO.
Correct! And Amur would show much more contrat below (b&w instead of buff on cream), much darker upperside and more contrast on head
 

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