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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KenM" data-source="post: 3230291" data-attributes="member: 57880">Thankfully I never took mine off!.....always learning hope you are?Although the images are "less than perfect" they may have lost something in BF compression? However as Mr Small's paper suggests, 1st Summer Hobbies may well be more frequent than is currently known.I probably like most others? was blissfully unaware of this plumage stage, and on balance might be considered a more likely candidate...however, it would be good to see more photo images of this type.I've searched the web, (albeit with an intermittent connection) and have been unsuccessful in finding any good images of this plumage stage, have looked at the film clip almost frame by frame and can see (badly) an almost warm tint to the underparts/wings in certain lights, also the back where seen (not often) appears to be grey...don't know if that would be compatible with a 1st Summer Hobby?Hopefully at the weekend I might be able to download more images, particularly the "more compact ones" if not the film clip.Cheers</blockquote>