Flycatcher ID help please, Hainan, China (1 Viewer)

Hainan on the fly

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I'm thinking this is a Dark-sided Flycatcher. Asian Brown Flycatcher is also present so I wanted to make sure I'm not confusing the two species.

Thanks,

Brian
 

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andyb39

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It looks superficially like Dark-sided but it's not right structurally - the bill and head are too large and the wings are nowhere near long enough. How about Grey-streaked?
 

Hainan on the fly

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It looks superficially like Dark-sided but it's not right structurally - the bill and head are too large and the wings are nowhere near long enough. How about Grey-streaked?

I wondered about the wings being too short. I looked at Grey-streaked but it only had one report on ebird for the entire island. Yet Asian Brown and Dark-sided had just 35 and 9 respectively. Things are way under reported here so I'm not sure how much all of that really means. Anyway, thanks for your input. I'll have to take a closer look at grey-streaked and hopefully get a better picture next time.

Cheers,

Brian
 

dwatsonbirder

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I agree with Andy (who undoubtedly has more field experience of Siberian and Grey streaked) and may also add that the fringing on the wing coverts and tertials appears fairly clean and whitish - I understand that this is also a supporting feature of Grey streaked over Siberian too.
Here is an old, but hopefully still relevant paper on the ID of the three "brown" flycatchers.
 

johnallcock

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It looks like Dark-sided to me.

Note that the birds still has a lot of juvenile spotting on the upperparts (lesser coverts, scapulars, rump and head). Dark-sided is the only one of the three to regularly migrate through China in juvenile plumage, although the other two will apparently also do so occasionally.

The underparts are quite dark and seem mottled, not as clearly streaked as they should be on Grey-streaked. The head is also quite dark, with a very dark malar stripe contrasting with paler submoustachial. The pale fringes to the greater coverts and tertials aren't a problem for Dark-sided, especially given the strong lighting from above. Eye-ring shape is hard to judge but does seem to be broader behind the eye, as is typical on Dark-sided. The lores are not as pale as I'd expect on Grey-streaked.

Structurally it's quite small-headed and small-billed. The wings are quite long (I would say they're too long for Asian Brown). My main issue is that the tail looks a bit longer than normal for Dark-sided (but I wonder if it is angled slightly towards the camera).

Dark-sided: http://orientalbirdimages.org/searc...rd_ID=2708&Bird_Family_ID=&Location=hong_kong

Grey-streaked: http://orientalbirdimages.org/searc...rd_ID=2708&Bird_Family_ID=&Location=hong_kong
Note the large white spots on the rump of this bird - I don't know if this is typical of juvenile Grey-streaked.
 

Hainan on the fly

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I agree with Andy (who undoubtedly has more field experience of Siberian and Grey streaked) and may also add that the fringing on the wing coverts and tertials appears fairly clean and whitish - I understand that this is also a supporting feature of Grey streaked over Siberian too.
Here is an old, but hopefully still relevant paper on the ID of the three "brown" flycatchers.

Thanks Daniel!

Lots of great information in this paper .
 

Hainan on the fly

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It looks like Dark-sided to me.

Note that the birds still has a lot of juvenile spotting on the upperparts (lesser coverts, scapulars, rump and head). Dark-sided is the only one of the three to regularly migrate through China in juvenile plumage, although the other two will apparently also do so occasionally.

The underparts are quite dark and seem mottled, not as clearly streaked as they should be on Grey-streaked. The head is also quite dark, with a very dark malar stripe contrasting with paler submoustachial. The pale fringes to the greater coverts and tertials aren't a problem for Dark-sided, especially given the strong lighting from above. Eye-ring shape is hard to judge but does seem to be broader behind the eye, as is typical on Dark-sided. The lores are not as pale as I'd expect on Grey-streaked.

Structurally it's quite small-headed and small-billed. The wings are quite long (I would say they're too long for Asian Brown). My main issue is that the tail looks a bit longer than normal for Dark-sided (but I wonder if it is angled slightly towards the camera).

Dark-sided: http://orientalbirdimages.org/searc...rd_ID=2708&Bird_Family_ID=&Location=hong_kong

Grey-streaked: http://orientalbirdimages.org/searc...rd_ID=2708&Bird_Family_ID=&Location=hong_kong
Note the large white spots on the rump of this bird - I don't know if this is typical of juvenile Grey-streaked.

Many thanks, John. Your detailed descriptions are always appreciated and so very informative.

Brian
 

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