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Message: <blockquote data-quote="CliveP" data-source="post: 3240396" data-attributes="member: 85835">I've just had my breakfast.:egghead:Otherwise I think my M7 10x30 is my upgrade (so it's not exit pupil being a problem) and it was here all along but it was a useful exercise to spend some time using my 8x25 again for a while and finding that I could  get some good enjoyment from it and recognise that it is actually a very good little binocular but it's just simply not the tool for a proper day out for wildlife or birding. I think below 30mm objective is the issue. Below that is travel tourist hiking museums territory.I'm sure any optical engineer knows the reason but I suspect it's simply down to the fact that 25mm objectives have a limit on light they can collect and so for any reasonable performance I think the magnification would have to be low and I think some manufacturer is missing a trick by not offering something like a 6.5x26 double hinge foldable but here we are, no manufacturer will touch it. Just must not sell enough.If you don't have or normally use a larger binocular then I think it is possible to become more accustomed to the smaller binocular and perhaps be quite satisfied. The problem really is when you switch from a large to a small. My local store actually sells a 10x24 porro by Kodak and I was thinking of taking a look at it but I expect it to be woeful as it's really cheap. On the other hand it may actually work in some way that I like? and fit my current non-budget. I'm curious to actually see such a small porro.</blockquote>

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