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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KnockerNorton" data-source="post: 1256488" data-attributes="member: 66452">Garden give a hard 'tack' so if "harsh clicking or "chekking"" then that fits garden - reed gives a slightly buzzing 'dzrrrrr'.The second pic gives a stong pro Reed colour, but I still can't square that bill with a Reed Warbler, and the links on this page show some interestingly warm-rumped Garden. Analysis of the tail isn't much use, as I don't think we can see enough. Talk of the hind claw is a red herring - it's of no use at all as far as I can tell (if anyone can give a link of the value of colur of hind toes as an i.d. criteria I'll happily change my mind), as I can think of plenty of reasons why it would vary.It still comes down to the bill with me. What am I most willing to believe - that the photos have misrepresented the colour or misrepresented the bill? We all know how the camera can change colours, but I think we can see the bill clearly enough to see it's true shape/length in a good profile shot. So I'm still about 95% garden and 5% reed.</blockquote>