Ghost orchid appeal (1 Viewer)

[Dr.Boletus]

Out of the orchid species I would like to see, ghost orchid takes the crown. Finding it in the UK is not possible, so I was thinking of visiting a known site in the Black Forest, Germany, to find them, provided they are still there. Would anyone be able/willing to share the location of the approximate area with me? Would not have found the Suffolk tongue orchid last summer if not for a similar question posted on Twitter, answered in my DMs.
If you are willing, do DM me
Thanks!

 

[Mono]

Have you seen this thread?

Ghost orchids in SW Germany - information and brief trip report

 

[Jos Stratford]

Have you seen this thread?

Ghost orchids in SW Germany - information and brief trip report

Good reminder why better not to share localities of rare orchids.

 

[Dr.Boletus]

Have you seen this thread?

Ghost orchids in SW Germany - information and brief trip report

I have

 

[Dr.Boletus]

Good reminder why better not to share localities of rare orchids.

I wasn't advocating for it to be posted out in the open. Especially not in the UK, which has an orchid theft problem. I was merely asking whether anyone would be willing to DM me about it, if they wanted to, considering my past good track record of finding rare orchid species (see Twitter)

 

[Jos Stratford]

And good track record of saying you'd happy share any localities of anything you know.

And not only the UK that has an orchid theft problem

 

[Jos Stratford]

"Like with the bergonii tongue orchid, and also say Essex's tongue orchids, I know the locations now, but many others do not. I have not once refused to tell a person where to find them when they asked"

Your words. This has all been debated with you several times when you posted as Gleb, etc - if the article linked above does not help you understand the problem with sharing info on such plants, then I guess you're too set in your ways.

 

[Dr.Boletus]

"Like with the bergonii tongue orchid, and also say Essex's tongue orchids, I know the locations now, but many others do not. I have not once refused to tell a person where to find them when they asked"

Your words. This has all been debated with you several times when you posted as Gleb, etc - if the article linked above does not help you understand the problem with sharing info on such plants, then I guess you're too set in your ways.

The quote underlines something about the way I work. I too would not blurt out sensitive information like that on a forum. What I meant was if someone DM'ed me, privately, so I understood who I was dealing with, then I would consider it. Obviously if someone who just made an account went out of the blue and asked me about it, I would think twice. But I have not encountered that yet, and the people I alluded too had a lot of orchid photos from both Twitter and iNaturalist.
I do understand the issue. Trampling is a factor, I agree, it happened to wreck one of the Suffolk plants as well, as is orchid theft. But witholding information from absolutely everyone seems unnecessary to me. Obviously if I said I never trampled anything, no-one would believe me. Personally I think it is a matter of whether someone wants to share it privately. I was not expecting anyone to post the location right here, on the forum

 

[Dr.Boletus]

This is a closing summary.
Thanks, but I've found out exactly where the site is uwu
Still maybe an entire year or even two before I visit

 

[albatross02]

Here some information, translate it with deepl.com or similar

https://www.hlnug.de/fileadmin/dokumente/naturschutz/artenschutz/steckbriefe/Farn_und_Bluetenpflanzen/Steckbriefe/Artensteckbrief_2017_Widerbart_Epipogium_aphyllum.pdf

Geister in dunklen Wäldern | Naturschutz.ch

Der Widerbart (Epipogium aphyllum) ist eine der seltensten Orchideen Europas und es ist verständlich, dass jeder, der ihn sieht, vom Anblick begeistert ist. In diesem Artikel wollen wir nicht nur die Pflanze kurz beschreiben, sondern auch die Seltenheit dieser Orchidee benennen und die...

naturschutz.ch

I found only one place at lake Eibsee in front of Zugspitze.

 

[Dr.Boletus]

Here some information, translate it with deepl.com or similar

https://www.hlnug.de/fileadmin/dokumente/naturschutz/artenschutz/steckbriefe/Farn_und_Bluetenpflanzen/Steckbriefe/Artensteckbrief_2017_Widerbart_Epipogium_aphyllum.pdf

Geister in dunklen Wäldern | Naturschutz.ch

Der Widerbart (Epipogium aphyllum) ist eine der seltensten Orchideen Europas und es ist verständlich, dass jeder, der ihn sieht, vom Anblick begeistert ist. In diesem Artikel wollen wir nicht nur die Pflanze kurz beschreiben, sondern auch die Seltenheit dieser Orchidee benennen und die...

naturschutz.ch

I found only one place at lake Eibsee in front of Zugspitze.

Much appreciated!

 

[PYRTLE]

After 30 years of searching in UK beechwoods, Ghost Orchid has been found and photographed for a deserved individual.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823430196978180140

 

[Dr.Boletus]

After 30 years of searching in UK beechwoods, Ghost Orchid has been found and photographed for a deserved individual.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1823430196978180140

There are some serious question marks on this record. The most major 'relevant' one is how it managed to flower when all of the known sites have been grilled by extreme heat on multiple occasions before he found it, allegedly earlier this month. But that isn't the only one. Nor is it the one which sets off alarm bells in my mind. I will stop just short of declaring it fake, but I do have severe doubts.

Still, not to worry, I vultured a few more sites off the internet when individuals weren't careful with properly hiding the location. And was straight-on given a few others. As you said only accessible for deserved individuals!

 

[Dave Boyle]

There are some serious question marks on this record. The most major 'relevant' one is how it managed to flower when all of the known sites have been grilled by extreme heat on multiple occasions before he found it, allegedly earlier this month. But that isn't the only one. Nor is it the one which sets off alarm bells in my mind. I will stop just short of declaring it fake, but I do have severe doubts.

Still, not to worry, I vultured a few more sites off the internet when individuals weren't careful with properly hiding the location. And was straight-on given a few others. As you said only accessible for deserved individuals!

That's some pretty serious allegations, I know nothing about Ghost Orchids, the observer or the site he found it but looking at the weather for the Welsh borders it doesn't look like there's been anything crazy, just 5 or 6 days since the start of July with temperatures over 25 degrees & never reaching 30

 

[jogresh]

I live in N Wales, it's been mostly cold and wet. Biggest amount of time between rain, prob a week and a half tops. Currently in Suffolk and I'm told it's been dry for a few weeks, til last night. Different world really.
Sounds like sour grapes to me?.. 🤔🧐🤷

 

[Dr.Boletus]

I live in N Wales, it's been mostly cold and wet. Biggest amount of time between rain, prob a week and a half tops. Currently in Suffolk and I'm told it's been dry for a few weeks, til last night. Different world really.
Sounds like sour grapes to me?.. 🤔🧐🤷

The orchid was 'found' in England

 

[Jos Stratford]

Condor/Gleb, it is not very nice to come onto this forum and rubbish someone's record without even giving the main reason that you don't believe it, ie "the one which sets off alarm bells in (your) mind".

If you don't have the decency to provide reasons for your doubt, so that others can decide for themselves or provide counter argument, I would say better you keep your thoughts to yourself.

 

[jogresh]

The orchid was 'found' in England

Yep, i was referring to the post above mine referring to the Welsh border, which negated your point about the long dry spell of weather.

 

[James Lowther]

This record has been reported by the BSBI and the Wild Orchids UK & Ireland Twitter account so there doesn’t seem much controversy about it.
Cheers
James

 

[DMW]

Of all the users on this forum to accuse others of dishonesty with zero evidence, I would have thought that one with a proven track record of telling outright lies here is the last one who should be throwing stones.