Grasshoppers of Britain and Western Europe, 11 March '21 (1 Viewer)

[Andy Adcock]

Aah - a different Bellmann! It certainly has far better coverage

Which one were you referring to Paul?

My old book from 85 is also Heiko B

 

[pdwinter]

Which one were you referring to Paul?

My old book from 85 is also Heiko B

 

[pdwinter]

It's rather fuzzy as it's taken from a website but this map from the guide shows its coverage is limited to the UK, Ireland, France, Belgium, (Luxemberg?) and Switzerland. Without Iberia the title is misleading & would breach the Trades Description Act were it to apply to book titles. Any idea how many Iberian species are omitted?

My estimate is that it has just over 50% of the Spanish species - so I expect that to reduce when you add in the Portuguese species but I don't have an indicator for them in my database.

 

[aeshna5]

Aah - a different Bellmann! It certainly has far better coverage

We just need an English translation now!

 

[Ries]

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There's a new full edition of that French too

and Italian, but no, no English... But seems few Bellmanns get translated in English.

 

[pdwinter]

Here you go John.

A bit random to include Corsica when considering the ommisions?

There are a few odd country combinations in insect books. I could write (and use my own photos to illustrate) a dragonflies of Hampshire and Málaga province book but it would have a very small target audience

 

[Ries]

I've just received this book, and leafing through it, it looks like a really nice elaborate book. The diagrams in the back are great, with even volume symbols for song loudness.

One thing, for me as Dutchie, which comes across as weird is that The Netherlands is not included as "Western Europe"; maps give only species range for France, Belgium, Switzerland and Britain. That Germany is not included as being Western Europe is...well, quite acceptable, but leaving Dutchieland out but Belgium in points toward the Francophilic nature of the original book, and the Anglophilic of the English translation. How great would a merge be between this book and CD, with the broader species range of the Bellmann! For now I'll have to splurge on buying them both...

Happy with this book, and especially the 222 songs on the CD is something I'm looking forward to, peculiar interest.

 

[Andy Adcock]

One thing, for me as Dutchie, which comes across as weird is that The Netherlands is not included as "Western Europe"; maps give only species range for France, Belgium, Switzerland and Britain. That Germany is not included as being Western Europe is...well, quite acceptable, but leaving Dutchieland out but Belgium in points toward the Francophilic nature of the original book, and the Anglophilic of the English translation. How great would a merge be between this book and CD, with the broader species range of the Bellmann! For now I'll have to splurge on buying them both...

Can you explain what you mean here, any translation in to the English language, must surely by definition, be 'Anglophilic'?

I agree that the book is extremely good but the range limits they decided on are a bit surprising.

 

[Ries]

Just as the French didn't include Netherlands, or other countries, in their definition of Western Europe, but just French speaking countries, nor did the British fix that but only added their native English speaking territory. They could've easily included the species range of other Western European countries, at least Netherlands, in the maps, all info is easily available. To even further "activate" ("entice"?) you; you could not only call that Anglophilic but also Europhobic (don't bite now...)

 

[Andy Adcock]

Just as the French didn't include Netherlands, or other countries, in their definition of Western Europe, but just French speaking countries, nor did the British fix that but only added their native English speaking territory. They could've easily included the species range of other Western European countries, at least Netherlands, in the maps, all info is easily available. To even further "activate" ("entice"?) you; you could not only call that Anglophilic but also Europhobic (don't bite now...)

That's some very, juicy bait there but your'e lucky today, I'm occupied with my toddler

Anyway, the French and the Brits, collaborating, highly unlikely, they say we had the hundred years war with them, some would say it never ended