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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MacNara" data-source="post: 3606207" data-attributes="member: 23290">I've never seriously birded outside Japan, where the species has been split into Eastern Cattle Egret, and I've never seen a Cattle Egret with a dark bill, even though we've had loads around this summer, so it's quite possible that I'm wrong about this, in which case apologies to MotttheHoopoe. But I don't really think this is an option for Gordon's bird, and in any case my point was to highlight the way postures and angles can change things dramatically.Off topic: I think I saw Mott the Hoople once at Birmingham Town Hall in the early 1970s. Could they even have been supporting David Bowie with Mick Ronson on the Ziggy Stardust Tour?</blockquote>