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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dantheman" data-source="post: 3348262" data-attributes="member: 32998">Apart from reminding you to get back under your bridge ... no idea <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> Actually zero-technology would be pretty difficult - you wouldn't even be able to use field guides. Have to admit this thought did cross my mind once - eg what would it be like to traverse Europe or America with no prior bird knowledge, identifying and constructing bird families and their members as you went. Bit like being an intelligent (ie doomed) birder in the Stone Age perhaps.Will have to disagree with most of what you posted on principle there Ken <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> Think you might also be adding extra layers. (Except your last sentence of course. Long live the chaos!)Seriously, awarding 'points' for self-finding would be interesting, but think it's been done already - and not without its own controversies. Mixing it with green birding would of course be good though - some of the aims being similar perhaps.</blockquote>