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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lou salomon" data-source="post: 1634842" data-attributes="member: 16268">i discounted herring only on the large amount of 2nd gen. coverts, not on structure - which, if stretched could fit a herring as well. some herring gulls do moult some of their coverts in the postjuvenile moult (but it's rare). the subject bird however looks like having many renewed GC, MC and LC and at least two TT.edit: yes, andy, your bird from 21.11. hasn't replaced any tertials but most of the greater coverts.</blockquote>