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Message: <blockquote data-quote="macrourus" data-source="post: 1359603" data-attributes="member: 43747">Hans Larsson and Lars Jonsson and Klaus Malling Olsen when they came in Sicily to see "my" gulls they all agreed they looks very like eastern cachinnans in having Palla's-like wint pattern, extremely pale mantle, pink legs, mostly dark iris, huge spotts over neck, huge dimension and bill etc... etc...  Also, consider that of all the heuglini birds we see, many are extremely close to the so called taymirensis type birds... whatever you think they are but they lloks as those odd gulls...  actually, most of the birds passing from SE Sicily come from Caspian and Black Sea and Russia, this also according to the ringing recoveries... That's it so far, but if you ask me about Merlin I'll reply you for sure they are pallidus or insignis, and if you ask about raptors and Lanius and Oenanthe etc. I'll reply with more self secureness...about gull, the more I study less I know  :-(ooops, well, actually also about Falco cherrug and peregrinus  <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>