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Message: <blockquote data-quote="macrourus" data-source="post: 1360086" data-attributes="member: 43747">yes sorry, i knwo its the opposite, just I sowrd the words...  :-(I'm always writing such posts on forums in big hurry, usually just for funn, among tens and tens mails to reply in my mail account, most of the time from internet points as I'm most of my time out of home birding away, and often being at the same time bothered to work affairs and annoing stuffs meanwhile ...Thanks to have outlined the mystake...Of course, barabensis and the other etasern taxa are darker (I've seen many in Asia and Middle East), but righlty the so called taymirensis are paler... However, Hans and Lars and Kalus, they were the guys who discussed about those Sicilian gulls, not me  <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />  I'm just a lerner on Larus sp. though advanced in italy (I recorded 1st Caspian for Italy back in 1990, and 1st one for Italy by photos back 1984, when Italian and many Europenas think they were not ID or even same species <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>