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[lou salomon]

yes, i'd exclude a graellsii on plumage mix and structure. but since legs are yellowish, grey scaps probably darker than argenteus (right?) and orbital is red i guess you can be almost sure it is a michahellis, albeit a weird one.

 

[Jane Turner]

What about LBBG x Herring?

 

[davpen]

Hmm, that thought did pass through my mind, but such possibilities are, errr..., a bit beyond my understanding of gull plumages.

Lou, yes, the scaps were darker than argenteus. What I took to be a same age argenteus was briefly present at the same time, and the difference was obvious.

I should have said, I also got a bit of video of this one. Haven't had a chance to look at it properly yet, but it should show at least part of an open wing. I'll try and get a videograb and put it on here this weekend, if anyone's still interested by then.

 

[davpen]

Here's a still from the video of the above gull.

 

[Samuel Perfect]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jun/13/rspb-hypocrisy-killing-birds

Put aside the article, could you help ID the gulls in the pic? I know the title says LBBG but the extent of black showing through on the underside of the outer primaries, the pink legs and white on both sides of the black bands of the outer primaries suggest otherwise.

I suppose intermedius could be that dark backed or is it simply a different species?

Cheers,

 

[lou salomon]

Here's a still from the video of the above gull.

very odd pale underwing. and there it is: the almost completely renewed median covert bar while greater coverts are entirely 2nd gen. and bleached.
perhaps part of the video might help here, dave?
it's obviously a male with that large head and massive bill - which all would be in favour of michahellis.

but - to answer jane's suggestion: i personally can't exclude such a hybrid B
i just don't know them well enough. peter does

 

[lou salomon]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jun/13/rspb-hypocrisy-killing-birds

Put aside the article, could you help ID the gulls in the pic? I know the title says LBBG but the extent of black showing through on the underside of the outer primaries, the pink legs and white on both sides of the black bands of the outer primaries suggest otherwise.

I suppose intermedius could be that dark backed or is it simply a different species?

Cheers,

you're absolutely right - those are not the ones who were culled, but a couple of GBBG.

 

[Samuel Perfect]

you're absolutely right - those are not the ones who were culled, but a couple of GBBG.

Thanks Lou :t:

 

[Qingcol]

Really intrigued by the mix of age characters shown by this fuscus type Gull yesterday in Cornwall. I only managed to get images from below. The mantle/upper-wing only, appeared to be as second winter Larus fuscus graellsii apart from the noticeable inner primary pale windows (not as noticeable as immature Herring Gull though still noticeable) second winter type tail and with dark right to outer edges, clean white rump and nape, no dark markings on adult type bill, iris as adult, legs and feet bright yellow! Apart from the pale windows a fourth-summer Lesser Black-backed showing some second winter characters?
Colin

 

[lou salomon]

3cy graellsii. still no moult signs in wings and tail, which is late. adult type bill without black mark(?) is pretty advanced for LBBG but as you see, possible. wings and tail all still 2nd gen. feathers.

 

[davpen]

Making a very tenuous link with Qingcol's LBB, here's another gull photo taken in the last couple of days where the bill colour seems more advanced than the apparent age.

Still from a video, West Yorkshire, 14/06. I'm assuming 3cy Herring Gull.

David

 

[Qingcol]

3cy graellsii. still no moult signs in wings and tail, which is late. adult type bill without black mark(?) is pretty advanced for LBBG but as you see, possible. wings and tail all still 2nd gen. feathers.

Bill blown up, just see a hint of dark left.
Colin

 

[lou salomon]

yes, i think i spotted that, colin. but almost clean.

dave, fairly typical in "alternate plumage", during late spring - early summer for any 3cy LWHG to show more or less bright yellow basal half of bill, a HG in this case, a funny looking beast with its small eye.

 

[Cristian Mihai]

Near Black Sea coast, June 18th 2013. Age?

 

[lou salomon]

remember this pattern, cristian: that's how an ichtyaetus looks in 2nd cycle: http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=422911&d=1357907283

 

[Cristian Mihai]

Thank you for reply, Lou.

 

[pdwinter]

L. argenteus argentatus

I saw this gull on 25/7 in Southampton UK. As far as I can make out it has a regrowing P10, P6 ,P5 and well worn P7-P9 where P9 and P8 have long white tongues and I wondered if it was an argentatus.

There are two other pictures on my blog which might help.

Thanks

 

[lou salomon]

p10 regrowing at this time of year is odd anyway. looks like a 4cy but i'm not experienced enough in 4th cycle HG to tell if teus or tatus from these pics. some more skilled people here: http://www.talk.gull-research.org

 

[pdwinter]

p10 regrowing at this time of year is odd anyway. looks like a 4cy but i'm not experienced enough in 4th cycle HG to tell if teus or tatus from these pics. some more skilled people here: http://www.talk.gull-research.org

Thank Lou - I'll ask there, Paul

 

[Tsingy]

Hi everyone, I want to show a photo and want to get your opinion about this gull. thanks from now.

http://www.trakus.org/kods_bird/uye/[email protected]&idx=100076&tit=gumus_marti#.UgoPEZLp2So