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lou salomon

the birdonist
no, but structurally similar. what is exotic for the americas?

that swollen red orbital - i give up, a dark-eyed ring-billed?
 
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Gentoo

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no, but structurally similar. what is exotic for the americas?

that swollen red orbital - i give up, a dark-eyed ring-billed?
OK, here are the gulls from your guesses. I moved birds 5 and 6 around. Here are the ones you got correct. The Western Gull is a leucistic bird but the eye is very typical still of the species as is the orbital.
 

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lou salomon

the birdonist
oh man! this would have been easy if i hadn't forgotten about heermanni totally. that smallish oval eye should have led me away from the large gulls. i loved them most among the gulls of the pacific coast.

the other mystery is actually very very similar to heermann's! ;)
 
large flat foot

haven't a clue about them Pacific gulls - maybe one day I will make it across the states . So here is one of our lot taken last week again weather dull and overcast however colours not to bad
 

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JANJ

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Another challenge Howard.

The rather pale grey tone of this gull might lead you away from heuglini towards barabensis, or cachinnans for that matter. Moult in primaries and heavy head, neck and upper breast streaking suggest barabensis or heuglini over cachinnans.
Regarding moult score it could be either of the two in this not fully adult (3cy?).
The gull looks rather hevy with a jizz that would perhaps fit heuglini over barabensis.

http://www.geocities.com/birdsnap/barabensis2win.htm

http://www.geocities.com/birdsnap/barabensissubadwin.htm

JanJ
 

lou salomon

the birdonist
i don't think this is barabensis. as seen in your links, most 3cy barabensis have a less advanced plumage, usually a well bicoloured bill and reduced head streaking. 4cy have more adult like bill, almost no head streaking. it looks like a strong heuglini to me. could it be a more eastern bird, lighter coloured?
 
I have no suggestions myself - but I do have one more pic of it amongst a group of others - this might help with size and jizz
 

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Gentoo

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oh man! this would have been easy if i hadn't forgotten about heermanni totally. that smallish oval eye should have led me away from the large gulls. i loved them most among the gulls of the pacific coast.

the other mystery is actually very very similar to heermann's! ;)

Gray Gull Larus modestus?
 

Gentoo

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post 267: Howard I'm about as clueless with these Asian Gulls are you might be with the Pacific species. I know nothing of molt in those birds but judging by jizz and apparent size from the pics, my guess would be barabensis if I had to chose just one. Structurally, it does look more like the hueglini pics I've seen however. It looks intermediate to me but I'm going to go with barabensis for now.
 

lou salomon

the birdonist
howard - hm hm. in the new pic it has the same stance as the 3 other birds which doubtlessly are ad barabensis. still head looks big and the striation...? i don't know.

gentoo - yepp, it's gray gull, modestus. flight shot on http://www.arthurgrosset.com/ , the other pic i'll put up tomorrow.
 

JANJ

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In Howards latest, at least the leftmost shows obvious barabensis jizz, shortish legs, flatish back, rounded head, long wings held low. Perhaps the rightmost is a heuglini, heavier structure. Note the similarity in upperparts tone.

Time for some wing views Howard! ;)

JanJ
 
Wings

The only wing shot I have at the moment is this one (26 Jan 08) not the best or the hardest but during my next gull photo session I will try my best
 

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JANJ

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Nice flight shot of what appears to be heuglini, on primary pattern and heavy structure.

Note what looks like a growing inner primary (p1) in the left wing, just visible white tip, repeated in the right wing and missing middle secondaries, not yet fully grown. Is it the start of a new primary moult, which would be a strange strategy for heuglini, which is in the end of the complete p-moult with fresh primaries. The primary moult starts at the breeding ground with a few inners, then suspended/arrested prior to migration - to be finished on the wintergrounds.

See difference between suspended and arrested moult. From Gull Research Organisation Website.

"Arrested moult or suspended moult?
In discussions about arrested moult, suspended moult is included as well. Strictly, the difference between arrested and suspended moult lies in the continuation:
Suspended Moult: A bird starts moulting the flight feathers in the ordinary way (from P1 outwards). At a certain point, the moult stops (is arrested, e.g. when migration starts). After arrival, the bird catches up moulting the rest of the flight feathers, which can be recognized as fresher.
Arrested Moult: A bird starts moulting the flight feathers in the ordinary way. At a certain point, the moult stops. After arrival, the bird starts moulting P1 again, thus doesn't continue moulting the rest of the flight feathers.
In some cases moult continuation is combined and two moult waves start: one wave at P1 and one wave at the place where moult was arrested, prior to migration. This is visible as two gaps in the wing (beware of secondary moult in the outer secondaries (S1, S2, S3)."

Also the third heuglini here - from Oman by Dick Newell:

http://www.magikbirds.com/image.asp?title_id=610&search=0&show_thumbnails=False

JanJ
 

Gentoo

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Here are a few more
 

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lou salomon

the birdonist
these are hard for me :smoke:

1. california (short grey legs)
2. gwg 1st cycle
3. calfornia 1st cycle
4. western 1st
5. 'olympic' 2nd

just out of the belly
 

JANJ

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Hello Gentoo.

1. Adult California Gull

2. First cycle Glaucous-winged Gull

3. First cycle California gull

4. First cycle California Gull

5. ?

JanJ
 

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