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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JANJ" data-source="post: 1376412" data-attributes="member: 20722">Hello Lou.I´m not saying that it is a Herring Gull! Strangely though as it might seem -  there is a possibility that it could be. Although the median and greater covert with pale tipping, tertials and tail pattern with uppertail and rump are all pro Caspian. I have seen juvenile/1st winter argentaus before with a similar greater covert and inner primary pattern (Caspian like with dark outer and pale innner web). As it might seem odd to question such pro Caspian features, I have to much Herring feel, that is to say the thick neck together with head shape primary projection (althoug some Caspains doesn´t looks so long-winged) and structure, especially in image 2 above and here:<a href="http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=175771&d=1231334376" target="_blank">http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=175771&d=1231334376</a>...where the proportions favours more a Herring - or the possible hybrid, if you get my point?In this image:<a href="http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=175773&d=1231334574" target="_blank">http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=175773&d=1231334574</a>note the head shape (and the rather strong barring on the side of the undertail coverts) which is not so Caspian jizz like.If this was the only image of itNOTE HERE LOU THAT I FAILED TO LINK THE IMAGE IN QUESTION; BUT IS`S THE ONE IN IMAGE 4 IN POST 691!I would react to the Caspian like greater covert pattern but suggest Herring on jizz.As mentioned - I don´t say that it´s a Herring, not a typical one for that matter, but I fail to see a Caspian on the whole.How was the underwing?JanJ</blockquote>

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