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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lou salomon" data-source="post: 1378563" data-attributes="member: 16268">views on the stuttgart gulli have now received feedback from ruud, klaus-malling and ies on the stuttgart gull discussed in the previous posts (pics in #691, 692 and 701).basically their view concordantly went more towards cachinnans although one with some odd features. ruud briefly noted it looks more like a cachinnans than an argentatus but with the mentioned points of concern in the end he concluded: “probably a hybrid”ies expressed his view that much of it looks like a caspian gull. he mentioned the following pro-cachinanns points: greater covert pattern, tertial pattern, primary window (dark/pale webs), neck streaking, and tail bar in this pic: <a href="http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=176118&d=1231501768" target="_blank">http://www.birdforum.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=176118&d=1231501768</a> looking typical for caspian just with “many dark markings on the uppertail coverts and rump”.points of concern: bill shape, scapular pattern (both not very well visible in these pics), build and head shape. ies said it is hard to come to a definite conclusion from these pics alone but it mostly looks like a strong male cachinnans. (thank you, ies! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> )klaus said that even the bird showed a rather heavy bill and shorter wings than expected he sees mostly cachinnans characters in it. a little unusual in his view is the heavy blotching on hindneck (perhaps some argentatus influence) and especially the heavily marked sides of undertail. Wing pattern is spot on for cachinnans and tail pattern not unusual with the strong waving. Conclusion: “given these small anomalities it is not possible to be 100% certain, butmost characters fits cachinnans.”what a pity I couldn’t get better pics of this interesting bird….B <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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