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Message: <blockquote data-quote="lou salomon" data-source="post: 1638954" data-attributes="member: 16268"><p>sorry jan, but i don't see any brownish immature markings in this gull. as said old feathers have a slight brownish hue which is absolute normal compared to the fresh inner primaries, lesser and median coverts. the wet Lc are very used and thus appear dark in between the new coverts. and i have yet to see 3rd gen caspian primaries with adult like mirrors. p9 mirror is too large to be a 3rd gen primary!</p></blockquote><p></p>