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Message: <blockquote data-quote="james holdsworth" data-source="post: 3365720" data-attributes="member: 79864">I don't have a problem at all with any similarities, although I would never consider Maven anything more than rebranders of Kamakura products.They are not optics designers or builders - full stop.* And I would extend this 'scorn' to some of the bigger labels, like Zeiss and the Terra - no doubt almost entirely Kamakura - but, at least, Zeiss did handle the optical design and spec. the glass.This is just a personal irritant of mine and reminds me of automotive 'companies' that build knock-offs of classic cars and call it something else, or tuners that put wings and turbos on sportcars and rebrand them as a 'new' car. Some of this goes to what Jan has said for years - this sort of thing is great for the consumer but bad for optics companies that invest heavily in R & D, to bring us the innovations we, and the rest of the bino. world have benefited from. With competitors able to make clones and copies for half the cost of an alpha [as they have zero R&d to pay for], then premium brand companies are forced to go the same route.As I said, great for the buyers but a bit sad that Zeiss now makes bins in China.....</blockquote>