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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steve C" data-source="post: 3365948" data-attributes="member: 56622">You illustrate the point.  Then you don't get the point. Not to be argumentative, but that seems to happen a lot.The Maven B2 feels a whole lot lighter than the 10x50 SV EL.The point is that specs only tell part of the tale.There is no Brunton copying going on here.  Brunton is dead and gone.I think perterra is right in that Maven's timing with the B2 is fortunate.  The Maven line...I think,  this is my opinion only...is seeing Kamakura making a statement...The Leizeinikowski crowd is not the only source of alpha quality optics.Kamakura, somewhere in its early history, made a decision not to make its own branded optics.  For whatever reasons, they chose to be an OEM for other companies that were not full stop (as James puts it) makers.  I bet they are pretty proud of their abilities and with, the partnership with Maven, they chose to deal with people who they had previous history.  The only way to get Kamakura stuff (and I challenge anybody to find certifiable Kamakura junk...as far  as I know, Kamakura does not do junk) is to get it from companies like Maven and others who do business with Kamakura for their product.  Now if I need to say this again there is no Brunton copying here.  There is development of Kamakura optical design and philosophies, that are being offered to the consumer through their partnership with Maven.  No Brunton.  Lots of stuff Brunton wanted will never see the light of day would be my bet.Now one point Dennis did get is that Brunton was never successful.  I would point out that nobody knows why that was better than Maven and Kamakura.  So no spending lots of $$'s for new bodies etc.</blockquote>

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