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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pariah" data-source="post: 3281101" data-attributes="member: 23126">If the original photographers could even post any other pics they got it may help matters, especially any flight or open wing/flapping shots.My two cents.I'm actually quite impressed with the facial pattern on this. The white bags under the eyes are perhaps larger than classic but not out of range I suspect, and the mask reaching under the gape looks good.Adding a shot posted on twitter, which I assume is again from same photographer. Hope that's ok. Not the best of resolution, but at least another angle. IMO there is somewhat of a collar there, and I think the over the shoulder angle of the previous pics don't highlight it well. It's not the strongest of boas, or the darkest of crowns which would be wanted for a classic pallid. How would people feel about this bird for example? <a href="http://www.tarsiger.com/gallery/index.php?pic_id=vvs1410804836&lang=eng" target="_blank">http://www.tarsiger.com/gallery/index.php?pic_id=vvs1410804836&lang=eng</a>Things such as primary length, leg length etc are indeed more subjective.Per Corso, female montys often show primary projections well short of the tail tip. But I would maybe expect a slightly higher level of throat/upper breast streaking than can be seen here in that case (granted we don't get the angle or resolution that would be optimal for that assessment).Further to (very) subjective features, in my own (admittedly limited) experience, I have often found juv Pallids have a tendency to be brighter and better marked on the upper parts, with a larger upper wing panel than montys. Nowhere near a concrete feature, just something I've often felt regards them.So if I was faced with this bird on the deck, with that face pattern, a decent collar, a boa (albeit not the most solid), the shorter primaries and the strong upper parts patterning, I would be leaning towards Pallid.Again, would be great if the photographer could post more of what they have.Owen</blockquote>

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