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Help ID pipit (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter João D. Esteves
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RafaelMatias
Unknown member
The one on the left has some potential for one, but you'd need more and better images (or sound recordings) to confirm it.
Alexander Stöhr
Well-known member
Agree with Rafael,
right bird is a Meadow Pipit. But left one might be a Red Throted Pipit, showing extensive dark streaked upperparts (making the upperparts looking patchy blackish with contrasting pale tramlines, such a pattern is extremly rare in Meadow).
The underparts are difficult to judge, but your bird seems to have pale cream flanks with weak streaking. I would expect an 100% ID-book Red-throated Pipit to show whiter flanks and contrasting blackish blop-shaped streaking there, and the underparts look better for a Meadow Pipit.
Conclusion? More pictures of the left Pipit please!
right bird is a Meadow Pipit. But left one might be a Red Throted Pipit, showing extensive dark streaked upperparts (making the upperparts looking patchy blackish with contrasting pale tramlines, such a pattern is extremly rare in Meadow).
The underparts are difficult to judge, but your bird seems to have pale cream flanks with weak streaking. I would expect an 100% ID-book Red-throated Pipit to show whiter flanks and contrasting blackish blop-shaped streaking there, and the underparts look better for a Meadow Pipit.
Conclusion? More pictures of the left Pipit please!
João D. Esteves
Active member
Just added some photos of pipits on the same place. I don´t know if they are the same bird. But just a reminder that im 100% sure that there was a Red-throated on that spot, I heard it several times, just trying to find it on the photos.
Alexander Stöhr
Well-known member
thank you for the pictures of the two flying pipits. Just commenting on the pictures (yes, a calling RTP can be identified with certainty, even in a vagrant context, so you have it allready!):
First picture shows good streaks to the breast, flank streaking could be bolder, but its within variation for RTP.
But: upperparts seems to plain and you should see streaks to the rump/uppertail-coverts.
Conclusion: plain upperparts and rump can easily explained by picture quality, where details are lost. But please compare here: https://club300.de/gallery/photo.php?id=47501 and https://club300.de/gallery/photo.php?id=47502 and https://club300.de/gallery/photo.php?id=47894
Second bird lacks detail (no offense), but in an enlargement I can imagine sseing a flesh-orange base to the bill, better for Meadow Pipit (RTP has yellow base to the bill). I know, this is for sure to much digged out of this picture.
Conclusion? Both birds doesnt show IDable Red-Throated-Pipits to me, because image quality prevents a safe identification and I can make out a feature (upperpart-streaking in the first, and bill colour in the second ) that cant be judged with certainty in this pictures, but would prevent me to name this birds as probable RTP in a vagrant (?) context. No offense as allways, as said you have it by hearing the call!
First picture shows good streaks to the breast, flank streaking could be bolder, but its within variation for RTP.
But: upperparts seems to plain and you should see streaks to the rump/uppertail-coverts.
Conclusion: plain upperparts and rump can easily explained by picture quality, where details are lost. But please compare here: https://club300.de/gallery/photo.php?id=47501 and https://club300.de/gallery/photo.php?id=47502 and https://club300.de/gallery/photo.php?id=47894
Second bird lacks detail (no offense), but in an enlargement I can imagine sseing a flesh-orange base to the bill, better for Meadow Pipit (RTP has yellow base to the bill). I know, this is for sure to much digged out of this picture.
Conclusion? Both birds doesnt show IDable Red-Throated-Pipits to me, because image quality prevents a safe identification and I can make out a feature (upperpart-streaking in the first, and bill colour in the second ) that cant be judged with certainty in this pictures, but would prevent me to name this birds as probable RTP in a vagrant (?) context. No offense as allways, as said you have it by hearing the call!
